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Offline DavidaBrother

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Are there any folk learning biblical Hebrew and Greek here?
« on: April 11, 2021, 07:40:53 PM »
Hi - I just wondered if there are any folk learning biblical Hebrew or Greek here?  Thanks,
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Re: Are there any folk learning biblical Hebrew and Greek here?
« Reply #1 on: April 12, 2021, 07:56:40 AM »
Hi David, I've taught myself NT Greek and I'm working my way (very slowly!) through a Hebrew course.
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Re: Are there any folk learning biblical Hebrew and Greek here?
« Reply #2 on: April 12, 2021, 11:00:33 AM »
Not as such, but I am trying to get myself in a position to appraise Hebrew grammar constructs that are found in online interlinear bibles, so that I can understand how to decipher them.

I would be personally grateful if anyone could explain right now why there are sometimes two alternative grammar constructs given for a single Hebrew word. Thus:

Code:    H Ncmsc / Sp3mp

in respect of Adam in Gen 5:2.
https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/gen/5/2/t_conc_5002

Why are there two codes given? Is this because there are two Hebrew words effectively combined into one?
https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/gen/5/2/t_conc_5002

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Re: Are there any folk learning biblical Hebrew and Greek here?
« Reply #3 on: April 12, 2021, 12:47:28 PM »
Hi David
Sorry I can't help I like to stick to the KJV and ESV I do have the app
e-sword which can give you the Hebrew and an explanation if that helps

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Re: Are there any folk learning biblical Hebrew and Greek here?
« Reply #4 on: April 12, 2021, 04:24:16 PM »
Not as such, but I am trying to get myself in a position to appraise Hebrew grammar constructs that are found in online interlinear bibles, so that I can understand how to decipher them.

I would be personally grateful if anyone could explain right now why there are sometimes two alternative grammar constructs given for a single Hebrew word. Thus:

Code:    H Ncmsc / Sp3mp

in respect of Adam in Gen 5:2.
https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/gen/5/2/t_conc_5002

Why are there two codes given? Is this because there are two Hebrew words effectively combined into one?

The codes you give seem to refer to the word before "Adam", i.e. "their name" (sh'mam).

The two codes aren't two alternatives, but codes for the two parts of the word. The first code is for the noun, shem ("name"). The second is for the suffix, which means "their". There's a lot of this in Hebrew. Pronouns are often stuck onto nouns and verbs.

Similarly, the word that comes after "Adam" ("in the day") is "yom" with a preposition stuck onto the front of it.

If I hover the mouse cursor over the codes in your link, an explanation appears there.
https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/gen/5/2/t_conc_5002
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Re: Are there any folk learning biblical Hebrew and Greek here?
« Reply #5 on: April 12, 2021, 07:34:07 PM »
The codes you give seem to refer to the word before "Adam", i.e. "their name" (sh'mam).

The two codes aren't two alternatives, but codes for the two parts of the word. The first code is for the noun, shem ("name"). The second is for the suffix, which means "their". There's a lot of this in Hebrew. Pronouns are often stuck onto nouns and verbs.

Similarly, the word that comes after "Adam" ("in the day") is "yom" with a preposition stuck onto the front of it.

If I hover the mouse cursor over the codes in your link, an explanation appears there.
Thanks very much for this. I figured the codes, I just couldn't understand why there were two.


Another question: have you figured out what the QAL perfect means? I read that it is translated as if the future i.e. "subject "will" verb", but it doesn't sound like a perfect tense to me? Then I saw the QAL perfect being translated as if an ordinary English perfect using the past participle.   Any ideas?               

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Re: Are there any folk learning biblical Hebrew and Greek here?
« Reply #6 on: April 12, 2021, 09:20:57 PM »
Thanks very much for this. I figured the codes, I just couldn't understand why there were two.


Another question: have you figured out what the QAL perfect means? I read that it is translated as if the future i.e. "subject "will" verb", but it doesn't sound like a perfect tense to me? Then I saw the QAL perfect being translated as if an ordinary English perfect using the past participle.   Any ideas?               

Hebrew doesn't have tenses like European languages do. The "perfect" refers to completed action (past or future, depending on context); the "imperfect" refers to uncompleted action (past, present or future, depending on context).
And when you think you've got your head round that, sticking the letter Waw onto the front of a perfect verb makes it imperfect, and sticking the letter Waw onto the front of an imperfect verb makes it perfect...

If you're serious about learning some Hebrew, I'd advise you to get yourself a Hebrew grammar where you can read it all properly explained.
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Re: Are there any folk learning biblical Hebrew and Greek here?
« Reply #7 on: April 14, 2021, 01:34:03 PM »
Hi Deborah, Thanks for your response and great to meet someone doing this!  I'm a beginner in this, and not finding it easy, but hoping to learn to read and comprehend both.  I'm finding it to be a long process!  Do you have any tips?  And is there any possibility of us sharing some simply Greek and Hebrew here?  Currently I'm learning inflexions for Greek verbs, but very slowly!  I have Greek and Hebrew languages installed on my computer, so can easily swap at the click of a button.  I can pretty much read both Greek and Hebrew sentences phonetically, but have to learn the mechanics of both languages!  As Davetaff says, I do have and use 'esword', which I do find enormously helpful.  I have the following books:
"Strongs exhaustive Concordance" as large book,
"Vine's NT Greek Grammar and Dictionary",
"The Analytical Hebrew and Chaldee Lexicon",
"The New Greek English Interlinear New Testament" (Brown, Comfort and Douglas),
"The Interlinear Bible, Hebrew, Greek, English" (Hendrickson pub),
Hebrew Torah
"Learn New Testament Greek" - Dobson
"Learn Biblical Hebrew" - Dobson
I'm finding Jonathan Wilkins videos on You Tube to be very helpful.
  What do you use please?  Thanks, David

 

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