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Hi eik Thank you for your reply you said Yes you are right I have a very simplistic view it comes of believing what the scriptures say and not what men say it says and not changing the words. Gen 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever [ /color]As we see for Adam to be in the image of God he needed to know good and evil its what he did with the knowledge.I believe that the law given to Moses is the tree of knowledge of this creation.You speak of other laws besides the laws given to Moses where can I find a list of these laws in the bible.
Israel is the first Adam of this creation
which began with Noah the first Adam died in the flood.
When Israel received the law they received the knowledge of good and evil
and in so doing became like God
then it becomes a question of what they would do with that knowledge
and we have the same choice they and we have to choose of our own free will shall we choose the good or the evil Israel chose to break the law and has paid the penalty.
If you break one law you break the whole law.
So are you saying I can kill someone without breaking the law
the Christ fulfilled the law through obedience is not in question in so doing he shows us what we should be doing and our Lord made it even harder to comply with the law.
21 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: note 22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire So what you are saying we can do All the killing we like so long as we do not murder we can commit all sorts of atrocities in war and God will approve and we won't break the law the law what about this law
Mat 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself 43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. 44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you
As I have said before I don't have a denomination other than Christian belonging to the body of Christ is my one ambition and the best way to achieve this is to follow the commands of Christ to love but you can't love your neighbor when your blowing his head of or dropping atomic bombs on him.
Roms 1 & 2. (e.g. Rom 2:15). The law of hypocrisy spelt out in Rom 2:17-24
Israel is the first Adam of this creationI refer you back to your statement " not what men say it says and not changing the words." Where exactly do I find this sentiment in the bible? One rule for you, another for others
Quote from: davetaff on Yesterday at 01:55:12 PMwhich began with Noah the first Adam died in the flood.Ditto
Quote from: davetaff on Yesterday at 01:55:12 PMWhen Israel received the law they received the knowledge of good and evilDitto
Except that the promises of Christ are superior to Israel's Heb
Quote from: davetaff on Yesterday at 01:55:12 PMIf you break one law you break the whole law.The written code, that is
It all depends on whether such is lawful at the time and in the context of the action, and whether it comes from faith.Thus an example of a lawful killing would be a Treblinka escapee running away from the Treblinka, being pursued by a Ukrainian guard with a gun. The guard opens fire from near point-blank range. The gun jams on the second shot, the escapee, who was injured by the first shot, looks back, realizes that the gun has jammed, and return and kills the guard with a hatchet, before continuing his escape (real life historical situation
Plainly I never said "we can commit all sorts of atrocities in war" so why did you prefix it by "So what you are saying
Quote from: davetaff on Yesterday at 01:55:12 PM Mat 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself 43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. 44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you Nothing here that precludes the adminstration of justice. Nothing about denying a license to resist one's enemies. In any event, the context of the teaching was social relations in a theocracy (and by extension a church of God), not social relations in a pagan society or in a dangeous cult, whether operated by the State or by a sub-state entity
Even the command "to love" had its limitations in the right of self-defence, and you are merely pursuing such a teaching to a perverse extremity that the bible never contemplates. Thus the "command to love," when taken to the extremity that you have identified, is incompatible with Christ teaching at Matthew 10:23 "When they persecute you in one town, flee to the next.
Hi eikThank you for your reply you saidAll this is covered in the 613 laws given to Moses and if we break any of Gods laws we are a law breaker.And God said Hos 11:1 When Israel was a child, then I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt. View moreMat 2:15 And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son So Israel is Gods son and would be created in his image and being the first Adam was destroyed in the flood God created a new man in his Image Israel and if Christ is the last Adam there has to be a first which is Israel simple enough.
When God destroyed everything in the flood he needed to start again using everything that was on the ark the only thing missing was man in his image and this is what this creation is all about the first one he created was Israel the man of flesh the last one is Christ the man of spirit.
Rom 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin I wonder what gnosis means
Not forgetting there are 613 lawsIf I kill anyone for any reason I break the law of love Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.Romans 13:10 ESVhttps://bible.com/bible/59/rom.13.10.ESV You can't love your enemy the stick a chopper in his head you can't fight evil with evil
men will arise and distort the truth in order to draw away disciples after themBecause that's whats coming across from you posts you say only murder is against the law all other killing is legal.I see it as all killing is wrong and against the laws of love given to us by our Lord.You need to read what it says Love your enemies you can't love someone then go and kill them our Lord used no violence neither did his apostles they were all persecuted but never used violence we need to follow their example.
Hi eik Thank you for your reply it all boils down to what dose man in the image of God look like
we have two very good examples Israel and Christ man ( mankind ) in the image of God is not one human being check out Genesis it says the man and woman became one in Israel it was Moses the man and Aaron and the priesthood the woman became one in Christ it will de when Christ returns for his bride the Church then Christ and his body will be joined together and become one and this is man in the image of God as described in Genesis.God is the Father of us all he created the human race and everything else but man in his image is something entirely different and will only be achieved in Christ so creation is ongoing.
Genesis is the whole history of mankind from the beginning to the end of Christs millennial reign.Man in the image of God will be the whole of the human race who are remain on planet earth at the end of the millennium when God said lets make man in our image he meant mankind as a whole not just one man.The first Adam God created was contaminated by the angles that came down from heaven and cohabited with the woman this is why the first Adam before the flood had to be destroyed.Thats why God had to start again to create man in his image first comes the man of flesh Israel then the man of Spirit Christ.I take it you call all this bunkum because you don't have a better explanation for Genesis
Noah or any other human being on their own is not in the image of God the only one who is is Christ at the end of his millennial reign this is the end of Gods creation
Of course men have distorted the truth no doubt about it thats why I advocate going back to the scriptures and thats why we have so many denominations
I don't think I have added anything to the bible the only thing I have done is interpreted Genesis on a different time scale 7 days from Noah thats 7 thousand years we are somewhere towards the end of the 6th day.
Christs millenium to look forward to.
As for what evil is I only need to look at the news so I repeat you cannot overcome evil with evil only love can overcome evil and as far as I know ther are no get out clauses to the laws of love as given by our Lord.All the ones you have given are the words of man and can be discarded.All most everything you say is based on the OT but Paul has this to say. Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come. All this is from God, who through Christ reconciled us to himself and gave us the ministry of reconciliation; that is, in Christ God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation. Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, God making his appeal through us. We implore you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God.2 Corinthians 5:17-20 ESVhttps://bible.com/bible/59/2co.5.17-20.ESV
We who believe are a new creation and as such obey our head which is Christ and his laws are the laws of love with out any get out clauses.And why should we be worried about dying when we have eternal life.
It's just pretensious theories built on sand. Nowhere is one day prophetically interpreted as 1000 years
This is, or was, the millennium. May be you missed it because your mind was being taken in by the peculiar sophistry of your denomination
Hi eik Thank you for your reply as for Christ being in the image of God. 2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; 3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high So there is no doubt that Christ is the image of God and if we compare Christ with Israel there are a few simualetries they both went into Egypt the both came into the wilderness Israel had 12 tribes Christ had 12 apostles the tribe of Dan was rejected the 2 sons of Joseph were taken in.Judus was rejected and 2 others were taken in all this cannot be coincidence.
So I believe I have proven that Israel and Christ are both created in the image of God and that man in the image of God is not one man.
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them Take note of verse 26 the words our and let them which to me indicates more than one.
I see your back to changing the words of scripture to back up what you say. Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation We are in Christ who is a new creation and he is the last Adam it stands to reason he was created as a new Adam.
I love it when people use words like bunkum thank you it means they don't have a better interpretation for the scriptures I give to support what I say.Nobody has to believe a word I say but we should believe what the scriptures say and the things I say are based on scripture for example Isa 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure Much of what I say is based on this verse its quite simple the beginning is Genesis the end is Christ the man in Gods image and in Genesis God tells us what he will achieve that end result.
2Pe 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day [ /color]Thats good enough for me.
The millenium will begin when Christ returns for his bride and they will reign here on earth for 1000 years.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years Job 19:25 For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth
There is scope for disagreement. There may be postulated two apostate tribes in 1 Kings 12:25-33
I think we knew that from Gen. 1:27 without your elaborate proof
God sitting in the counsel of his angels, by whom he made mankind. It was angels that did the donkey work, you can be sure, as they did it with the first covenant. Remember what Heb 1 says about angels
You're the one changing the words of scripture. It doesn't say "he is a new Adam." It said "he is a new creation" by which is meant a creation of the spirit of God (new birth is spiritual birth only cf. Nicodemus