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Hi eik Thank you for your post you said So are you saying God is telling the lies when he said he would destroy the nations before them.
So are you saying we should go out killing people who don't believe as we do yes we should but we should use the two edged sword which is the word of God or are you saying we should use a sub machine gun.
I never said it was what I said was I believed it to be so
All killing is against the laws of love given by our Lord you can't love someone then go and blow his head of.All killing is wrong
So what are the laws And he said to him, ?You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the great and first commandment. And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets.?Matthew 22:37-40 ESVhttps://bible.com/bible/59/mat.22.37-40.ESV
But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven. For he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? And if you greet only your brothers, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same? You therefore must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.Matthew 5:44-48 ESVhttps://bible.com/bible/59/mat.5.44-48.ESV [/color]
So are you saying we should ignore these words from our lord that we should kill our enemies and not love them as commanded.
Sorry for making it difficult for you, normally my Grandson is on here [playing roblox] this wil be the first free evening ..Usually I am bouncing between different things [like a tennis ball] and have a few minutes to speed read and type AFAP.. Not disagreeing with anyone ...I am simply getting at the differences between the powers regarding "kiiling- Destroy" [words are great things - but relay so little]Hence the use of pictures/metaphors/symbols/ in God's Word..When used in regard to God [He is the good Shepherd ] - Matthew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.Regarding satan and demons [they are already judged as per - Then He [God] will say to those on His left, 'Depart from Me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels' (Matthew 25:41).Regarding human activity [all depends on who and what they are intertwined to or if they are]One person might be their own god/ another revolving around God / another being twined in with demonic stuff.As Paul said Romans 7:15-20 15 I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. 16 And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. 17 As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. 18 For I know that good itself does not dwell in me, that is, in my sinful nature.[a] For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. 19 For I do not do the good I want to do, but the evil I do not want to do?this I keep on doing. 20 Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.So refering to the words "kill/destroy" you know people can destroy using words or build up using words..
"Sticks and stones may break my bones - but words will never hurt me" silly saying..Woo - finally got to post with some free time whoop.. Depends when he was bound in History = His - Story - how can you know satan is not allowed [NOW] and sometime in the future [BOUND] - you do not.. know..
I find that a very dangerous and reaction to the word "Leaders"! [I never mentioned Christian..]
Why would - Boris Johnson be a woshipper of satan ?
What a strange response ?You are relating "leaders" to "Christian" ...why ? .. I never mentioned Christian - I said "Spiritual]
Relating people worshipping satan ? how can they [as he is now bound up in an abyss] Why would they want to be bound with him into eternal torment / sorry but does'nt make sense.
I am saying that such a statement is consistent with giving the Israelites victory in battle, which is exactly what he did give to them. What you are saying is its ok to change the word of God to suit your theology You do not appear to grasp the numerous injunctions given to the Israelites to drive out the Canaanites. Compare Jos 3:10 and Jos 17:18 and Jdg 1:29. What God meant was victory in their endeavours. No I am not I am only speaking of their first entry and God makes it plain that he would go before them and clear the land before them You appear not to be able to grasp the schema of the Old Testament, and the way in which God works, imputing individual verses with extraordinary meanings, and disregarding many others that give context.I never said anything of the kind. However, should a Christian political power arise it would be incumbent upon it to relegislate to make certain behaviours criminal that used to be in the past, but now are not. And one of those just might be the criminal preclusion of various destructive heresies and cults that spring up like weeds in the modern era.You said "I believe the KJV was inspired by God and as such can be relied on for the truth."I believe the KJV was the work of Christians, but I don't see them as infallible. No-one is infallible except perhaps a prophet of God.Tosh. Did Jesus ever condemn anyone for putting to death the thieves crucified alongside him? Did he not commend the one who said, Luke 23:41 "We are punished justly, because we're getting back what we deserve for the things we did, but this man has done nothing wrong." I view the KJV as the word of God I don't think God would allow a mere man to interfere with it if man could interfere with it it would mean God is not Almighty.Yes there was penalties for breaking the law I am not saying anything different I was put to death when I was baptised so was the Israelites looking at the law from the wrong perspective Do you not grasp that the Levitical law prescribed the death sentence for numerous crimes? Are you condemning those who would implement it? If so, you make yourself out to be God. like I said was Israel looking at the law from the wrong perspective You have revealed yourself to be a gnostic one whom despises the OT God, and makes him out to be evil. Marcionism, similar to Gnosticism, depicted the God of the Old Testament as a tyrant or demiurge. I protest the God I worship is the God of LOVE and all things will be achieved through love love is the greatest power in th universe and God is LOVE Where you try to pretend that God never even said the things he said. Yes he did command that criminal offences be punished with the death sentence. And that would include all false prophets.Deu 18:20 "But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, is to be put to death."Deu 18:22 "If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the LORD does not take place or come true, that is a message the LORD has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously, so do not be alarmed."Do you realize howmany false prophecies the JWs have intoned?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unfulfilled_Watch_Tower_Society_predictionsDo you not realize that by the law of the OT, the JWs should be criminally proscribed for lying?That is the law for believers. Yet there is also law against malefactors. Again you can't build a theology on a perversion of a just a tiny number of verses.And so why didn't Jesus condemn the judicial authorities for prosecuting criminals?You, I assume, are not a juducial or a political authority. Therefore you have no participation in the adminsitration of justice. But that doesn't give you the right to condemn anyone who does participate in the adminsitration of justice, which is what you are making the bible out as saying (wrongly). yes the law proscribed the death penalty but what death is the question is it horrific physical death or a spiritual death through baptism to eternal life.I condemn no one not my place we have a righteous judge lets leave it to him I noticed you did not copy the following so I take it you did not have an answer But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven. For he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? And if you greet only your brothers, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same? You therefore must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.Matthew 5:44-48 ESVhttps://bible.com/bible/59/mat.5.44-48.ESV It seam you don't like the word love the only way to overcome evil is with Love.Love and Peace Dave
Quote I am saying that such a statement is consistent with giving the Israelites victory in battle, which is exactly what he did give to them.What you are saying is its ok to change the word of God to suit your theology
I am saying that such a statement is consistent with giving the Israelites victory in battle, which is exactly what he did give to them.
I view the KJV as the word of God I don't think God would allow a mere man to interfere with it if man could interfere with it it would mean God is not Almighty.
Yes there was penalties for breaking the law I am not saying anything different I was put to death when I was baptised so was the Israelites looking at the law from the wrong perspective like I said was Israel looking at the law from the wrong perspective
You have revealed yourself to be a gnostic one whom despises the OT God, and makes him out to be evil. Marcionism, similar to Gnosticism, depicted the God of the Old Testament as a tyrant or demiurge. I protest the God I worship is the God of LOVE and all things will be achieved through love love is the greatest power in th universe and God is LOVE
QuoteWhere you try to pretend that God never even said the things he said. Yes he did command that criminal offences be punished with the death sentence. And that would include all false prophets.Deu 18:20 "But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, is to be put to death."Deu 18:22 "If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the LORD does not take place or come true, that is a message the LORD has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously, so do not be alarmed."Do you realize howmany false prophecies the JWs have intoned?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unfulfilled_Watch_Tower_Society_predictionsDo you not realize that by the law of the OT, the JWs should be criminally proscribed for lying?That is the law for believers. Yet there is also law against malefactors. Again you can't build a theology on a perversion of a just a tiny number of verses.And so why didn't Jesus condemn the judicial authorities for prosecuting criminals?You, I assume, are not a juducial or a political authority. Therefore you have no participation in the adminsitration of justice. But that doesn't give you the right to condemn anyone who does participate in the adminsitration of justice, which is what you are making the bible out as saying (wrongly). yes the law proscribed the death penalty but what death is the question is it horrific physical death or a spiritual death through baptism to eternal life.I condemn no one not my place we have a righteous judge lets leave it to him I noticed you did not copy the following so I take it you did not have an answer
Where you try to pretend that God never even said the things he said. Yes he did command that criminal offences be punished with the death sentence. And that would include all false prophets.Deu 18:20 "But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, is to be put to death."Deu 18:22 "If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the LORD does not take place or come true, that is a message the LORD has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously, so do not be alarmed."Do you realize howmany false prophecies the JWs have intoned?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unfulfilled_Watch_Tower_Society_predictionsDo you not realize that by the law of the OT, the JWs should be criminally proscribed for lying?That is the law for believers. Yet there is also law against malefactors. Again you can't build a theology on a perversion of a just a tiny number of verses.And so why didn't Jesus condemn the judicial authorities for prosecuting criminals?You, I assume, are not a juducial or a political authority. Therefore you have no participation in the adminsitration of justice. But that doesn't give you the right to condemn anyone who does participate in the adminsitration of justice, which is what you are making the bible out as saying (wrongly).
But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven. For he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? And if you greet only your brothers, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same? You therefore must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.Matthew 5:44-48 ESVhttps://bible.com/bible/59/mat.5.44-48.ESV It seam you don't like the word love the only way to overcome evil is with Love.
I meant government
No idea why I am responding...
(Isaiah 9:6) N0 the goverment upon our lives is not about who we vote for - the governing power upon us is about [who we allow into our lives]Jesus Chist should be the governing force - therefore you can then allow that scripture into you lifeMnay people on social media no longer know "what is good or bad] as in Isaiah 5:20 Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter! They live a false life and conspiracy abounds, remember you are of an upside Kingdom - that won't work for you will it ?
The scripture only applies to you once you have lived it.. you do not own scripture..
I once partnered with a third partner who just used me - to do as little as possible [to use me to as much as possible - for his advantage - for as many years as possible]Although I forgave him - I never forgot - and since that time I have forgiven but have never forgotten what he did to me.If I had then I would allow others to do the same .. in the future. Depends who you make to head of your life 1 Corinthians 12:21 The eye cannot say to the hand, "I don't need you!" And the head cannot say to the feet, "I don't need you!"The real God does not need you - you need God..
For unto us a Child is born, unto us a Son is given; and the government shall be upon His shoulder. And His name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The Mighty God, The Everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Hi eikThank you for your reply we still seam to be going round in circles over the word kill or murder if you kill someone you murder them if if you murder someone you kill them to kill someone by accident is not murder.If a soldier is ordered to go and kill is it murder on his part because he has the opportunity to refuse so he goes out to purposely to kill another human being.
You mention Hitler in you last post but if all the German people at the time had been bible loving Christians following the commands of our Lord Jesus Christ he would not have found enough people to raise an army.
So should we consider the law of Moses from a different angle what did our Lord have to say about it who was it meant for in the first instance Israel the first Adam and then Christ the last Adam it was given to the man in Gods image and our Lord said.
Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled Luk 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me So as we see the law is a prophecy that must be obeyed by the man in the image of God Israel failed in that respect by breaking the law.
But our Lord complied with every letter of the law and all those who are his body should follow his example.Our Lord went like a lamb to the slaughter to comply with the law but could have resisted with 12 legions of angels but did not so as to comply with the law thou shalt not kill which makes perfect sense in this context.
Might be worth doing a study on the law as a prophecy I was thinking of this obscure law used by St Paul. Deu 25:4 Thou shalt not muzzle the ox when he treadeth out the corn. note View more1Ti 5:18 For the scripture saith, Thou shalt not muzzle the ox that treadeth out the corn. And, The labourer is worthy of his reward So if Paul uses this obscure law to apply to those preaching the gospel what do all the other laws mean.