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Re: Murder,kill,destroy
« Reply #200 on: May 26, 2021, 07:40:11 PM »

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Thought that was obvious he had his heavenly Father and he had his earthly father Joseph.
Ok, so you accept he needed a regular human education and an education at the Synogogue school and at the temple?

That we recieve the spirit when we believe in not in question but we don't  receive a spiritual body we remain in the flesh otherwise we would not need to be translated at our Lords second comming.
When did I refer to a "spiritual body"? We are talking about a spiritual man.

Agreed

The creation account in Genesis can be traced through the history of Israel and in the life of Christ they both follow the same path.
I will concede the extensive use of types and antitypes, and dual prophecies, or prophecies with dual fulfilments, in the OT, such as Christ himself gave in the NT, in Matt 24 which refers both to the AD70 event and the second coming, but you are going way beyond that traditional method of scripture interpretation in your positing that Genesis is referring "directly" to Christ, or the body of believers, e.g. when it refers to Adam.

In Adam there are both saved and unsaved. That much is clear. There is nothing to warrant you making the Old Testament an direct extension of the New Testament rather than just a collection of antitypes and prophecies.

Is he really what about

     8  For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man.

 9  Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man     


Here Paul is speaking of the creation account in Genesis which is about Adam and Eve and we know Adam is man in the image of God.
Yes he is really talking to individual Corinthian males. The woman is in the image of God by reason that she was taken from man and is not independent of man. So she is partner in that image, and yet a subordinate partner as the "glory of man."

The verses you have quoted are irrelevant as they do not detract from the above interpretation.

       Gen 6:7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them. note View more

Gen 6:13 And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth. note View more

Gen 6:17 And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die.     


Seams pretty straightforward to me God would destroy mankind ( Adam )
Except for Noah, his sons, wives and I should certainly conjecture, and all their servants which are commonly omitted when potentates are being denoted in the OT (also have regard to the dimensions of the ark).

If we sall enter into God's sabbath rest it stands to reason its a future event we can't go back thousands of years to enter it.
So I say Gods sabbath rest is Christs millennial reign.
It doesn't "stand to reason" it's a future event. It stands to reason it's a current event as God has already entered his rest (Gen 2:1-3).

       Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years   
The saints of a certain sort reigning for 1000 years with Christ (who reigns from heaven). Prima facie there is nothing to distinguish the nature of their reign from the ordinary reign of Christ, which subsists today.

Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years    [/color]

So these verses from St John are a lie please read what it says Christ will reign here on earth 1000 years.
As I've said before, this has nothing to do with the majority of believers,  because it is qualified by these saints being "beheaded," which means martyred, which doesn't apply to the vast majority. Here the saints would reign from heaven.

If however in the unlikely event the "first resurrection" is referring to the resurrection to a new spiritual life on earth, again it is nothing to do with Christ reigning on earth, except through the saints who are alive on earth, as Christ's witnesses.

Which ever one you chose, there is nothing to suggest Christ physically reigning on earth. That is your interpolation, and a wholly unwarranted addition to Revelation. Moreover to this "event" you are attaching a load of man-made salvation theology which detracts and distracts from the need to be saved in the present life.

It is the quality of your present human life which is what is important on the day of judgement: not your views / opinions on the theological significance of Revelation or your personal brand of "millennialism," pretensions to gnosis as to which can only detract from knowing God in this life, because Revelation precludes anyone from adding to it as you like to do. In other words, Revelation is not to be used to manipulate the rest of scripture.

As for you "looking forward to the millennium:" nowhere is that enjoined in any other place in scripture. Paul the apostle said he looked forward to being with Christ, not to the millennium. Phil 3:14 "God has called me heavenward" and not to look for anything on earth. See how radically opposed to the apostolic teaching your own is.

And if Revelation is so brief as to convey nothing about what any such "reign of the saints" constitutes, then I suggest it isn't worth worrying about it, and is certainly no excuse to build a new gnostic theology upon it, as you do.

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Re: Murder,kill,destroy
« Reply #201 on: May 28, 2021, 11:16:35 AM »
Hi eik
Thank you for your reply

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     Ok, so you accept he needed a regular human education and an education at the Synogogue school and at the temple?     

That Christ received instruction from Joseph go's without saying but as for going to school in the synagogue on a regular bases there's nothing in scripture to support it plus why were his parents surprised to find him there.

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      you are going way beyond that traditional method of scripture interpretation in your positing that Genesis is referring "directly" to Christ, or the body of believers, e.g. when it refers to Adam.     

I know I am but it makes perfect sense  to me and is supported in scripture christ said

    Joh 5:17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work     
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   But Jesus answered them, ?My Father is working until now, and I am working.?
John 5:17 ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/jhn.5.17.ESV     


So as the Father had been working up to the time of Christ it can only mean he had not rested which means his Sabbath rest is a future event which we can enter into and the only time the Father can rest is Christs 1000 year reign the Sabbath day being 1000 years long.

     But do not overlook this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
2 Peter 3:8 ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/2pe.3.8.ESV     


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      Yes he is really talking to individual Corinthian males. The woman is in the image of God by reason that she was taken from man and is not independent of man. So she is partner in that image, and yet a subordinate partner as the "glory of man."

The verses you have quoted are irrelevant as they do not detract from the above interpretation     

I think you'll find if you read the whole of Corinthians 11 you will find Paul is speaking of Christ and his church.

   And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures.
2 Peter 3:15-‬16 ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/2pe.3.15-16.ESV       


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  Except for Noah, his sons, wives and I should certainly conjecture, and all their servants which are commonly ommitted when potentates are being denoted in the OT (also have regard to the dimensions of the ark         

Sorry eik but adding things to scripture that aren't there is not allowed

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     It doesn't "stand to reason" it's a future event. It stands to reason it's a current event as God has already entered his rest (Gen 2:1-3     

As I have said many times the creation accounts in Genesis encompass the whole of human history from Noah to the present day and beyond to Gods Sabbath rest.

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   The saints of a certain sort reigning for 1000 years with Christ (who reigns from heaven). Prima facie there is nothing to distinguish the nature of their reign from the ordinary reign of Christ, which subsists today       

Christ will reign here on earth from the new Jerusalem which comes down from heaven which is his body  and he will reign for 1000 years at the end of which he will hand everything over to the Father who will then create a new heaven and earth.

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   As I've said before, this has nothing to do with the majority of believers,  because it is qualified by these saints being "beheaded," which means martyred, which doesn't apply to the vast majority. Here the saints would reign from heaven   

Scripture to support this statement that there are sainte who were martyred is not in question but where in scripture dose it say they will reign from heaven.

As for the rest of your post it's just conjecture you opinion which carries no more weight than anybody else's you can believe that believers will all go to heaven if you like but man was created to look after planet earth at the present time man is doing his best to destroy it.

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Re: Murder,kill,destroy
« Reply #202 on: May 28, 2021, 06:27:47 PM »
Hi eik
Thank you for your reply

That Christ received instruction from Joseph go's without saying but as for going to school in the synagogue on a regular bases there's nothing in scripture to support it plus why were his parents surprised to find him there.
What I'm really asking is, do you accept that the Christ child needed a human education?

I know I am but it makes perfect sense  to me and is supported in scripture christ said

    Joh 5:17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work     
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   But Jesus answered them, ?My Father is working until now, and I am working.?
John 5:17 ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/jhn.5.17.ESV     


So as the Father had been working up to the time of Christ it can only mean he had not rested which means his Sabbath rest is a future event......
Your syllogism is misplaced. Christ worked on the Sabbath, even though he accepted it was his day of rest.

...... which we can enter into and the only time the Father can rest is Christs 1000 year reign the Sabbath day being 1000 years long.     But do not overlook this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
2 Peter 3:8 ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/2pe.3.8.ESV     

The Father has already stated that he is at rest from his work in Gen 2:1-3. Why do you overlook it?

I think you'll find if you read the whole of Corinthians 11 you will find Paul is speaking of Christ and his church.

   And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures.
2 Peter 3:15-‬16 ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/2pe.3.15-16.ESV       

Man in 1 Cor 11:7 is Nominative Singular Masculine. I can't think that scripture could make it any clearer that one individual man is being inferred.

You see, unlike the Hebrew word Adam, the Greek anēr has both a singular and a plural, just like the English word "man."

So your argument, that the plural should be inferred, fails.

Sorry eik but adding things to scripture that aren't there is not allowed
It is allowed by biblical precedent.

Gen 11:31 "And Terah took Abram his son, and Lot the son of Haran his son's son, and Sarai his daughter in law, his son Abram's wife; and they went forth with them from Ur of the Chaldees, to go into the land of Canaan; and they came unto Haran, and dwelt there."

Gen 12:1 "Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:"

Gen 12:4 "So Abram departed, as the LORD had spoken unto him; and Lot went with him: and Abram was seventy and five years old when he departed out of Haran."

Nothing about any servants in these verses.

Ony in Gen 12:5 do we learn that Abraham has "other souls."

Not until Gen 14:14 do we learn that Abraham had approx 2000 servants.

It is perfectly clear that the bible does not always allude to the servants of potentates, even when they are present.

As I have said many times the creation accounts in Genesis encompass the whole of human history from Noah to the present day and beyond to Gods Sabbath rest.
Gen 2:1-3 denies your presumption.

Christ will reign here on earth from the new Jerusalem which comes down from heaven which is his body  and he will reign for 1000 years at the end of which he will hand everything over to the Father who will then create a new heaven and earth.
Very imaginative. I can't see why anyone would trust you on this, especially given Rev 22:18.19. They would risking damnation, wouldn't they?

Scripture to support this statement that there are sainte who were martyred is not in question but where in scripture dose it say they will reign from heaven.
Just because they will reign with Christ. Christ is in heaven and the souls of those who were martyred are under the altar (Rev 6:9-11). That the souls of the martyrs go to heaven is not in doubt (Luke 23:43). Under the altar appears to mean those who are sealed and are permitted to live permanently very near to or in the presence of God (by analogy to the OT altar of incense before the veil near the holy of holies) and whose aroma God is always pleased with.

As for the rest of your post it's just conjecture you opinion which carries no more weight than anybody else's you can believe that believers will all go to heaven if you like but man was created to look after planet earth at the present time man is doing his best to destroy it.
So what? The world is appointed for the destruction of the ungodly. 2 Cor 4:18 "So we fix our eyes not on what is seen, but on what is unseen. For what is seen is temporary, but what is unseen is eternal."

Seems to me you are too inclined to assume the earth is eternal.  That is a bad mistake and misunderstands the nature of the kingdom of God, which you mistake for an earthly paradise.

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Re: Murder,kill,destroy
« Reply #203 on: May 29, 2021, 03:57:46 PM »
Hi eik
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What I'm really asking is, do you accept that the Christ child needed a human education?

And all I'm saying is there is nothing in scripture that says he did go to school if it was important  God would have told us by saying he did you are adding words to scripture this is no good.

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Your syllogism is misplaced. Christ worked on the Sabbath, even though he accepted it was his day of rest.     

It was not his day of rest it was God the Fathers day of rest which is Christ's millenial reign so Christ shall work the whole of the Fathers sabbath rest God the Father rest because he has full confidence that his Son can finish the creation .

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  The Father has already stated that he is at rest from his work in Gen 2:1-3. Why do you overlook it     

I have not overlooked it what I am saying is the Fathers Sabbath rest is a future event otherwise Christ could not say

Joh_5:17  But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.     

So the Father and son were working up to the time Christ said these words which can only mean the Fathers sabbath rest is a future event.

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Man in 1 Cor 11:7 is Nominative Singular Masculine. I can't think that scripture could make it any clearer that one individual man is being inferred.

You see, unlike the Hebrew word Adam, the Greek anēr has both a singular and a plural, just like the English word "man."

So your argument, that the plural should be inferred, fails.     

No good talking to me about grammar all I know is if I read this section of Pauls letter the overall impression I get is he is speaking of the man in the image of God which is Christ.

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It is allowed by biblical precedent.

Gen 11:31 "And Terah took Abram his son, and Lot the son of Haran his son's son, and Sarai his daughter in law, his son Abram's wife; and they went forth with them from Ur of the Chaldees, to go into the land of Canaan; and they came unto Haran, and dwelt there."

Gen 12:1 "Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:"

Gen 12:4 "So Abram departed, as the LORD had spoken unto him; and Lot went with him: and Abram was seventy and five years old when he departed out of Haran."

Nothing about any servants in these verses.

Ony in Gen 12:5 do we learn that Abraham has "other souls."

Not until Gen 14:14 do we learn that Abraham had approx 2000 servants.

It is perfectly clear that the bible does not always allude to the servants of potentates, even when they are present.         

Sorry eik but just because Abraham and others had servants dose not prove Noah had them and more importantly there is absolutely nothing in scripture to say there were any of Noah's servants on the Ark that's adding words to scripture that arn't there all the scripture say is there only 8 people on the Ark.

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As I have said many times the creation accounts in Genesis encompass the whole of human history from Noah to the present day and beyond to Gods Sabbath rest.
Gen 2:1-3 denies your presumption.     

On the contrary it supports what I say The Fathers sabbath rest is Christs millennial reign you read Genesis from the wrong perspective

 
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Very imaginative. I can't see why anyone would trust you on this, especially given Rev 22:18.19. They would risking damnation, wouldn't they?           

Rev 22:18  For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: 
Rev 22:19  And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.        


Don't think I have not added or subtracted the only thing I have done is put the creation account in Genesis in a different time frame and for me it works fine it seams your the one who likes to add words to scripture so be careful.

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Just because they will reign with Christ. Christ is in heaven and the souls of those who were martyred are under the altar (Rev 6:9-11). That the souls of the martyrs go to heaven is not in doubt (Luke 23:43). Under the altar appears to mean those who are sealed and are permitted to live permanently very near to or in the presence of God (by analogy to the OT altar of incense before the veil near the holy of holies) and whose aroma God is always pleased with.       

all those who are the bride of Christ which will form the new Jerusalem which will come down from Heaven to earth with Jesus Christ at the head and they shall reign here on earth for 1000 years as stated in scripture.

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So what? The world is appointed for the destruction of the ungodly. 2 Cor 4:18 "So we fix our eyes not on what is seen, but on what is unseen. For what is seen is temporary, but what is unseen is eternal."

Seems to me you are too inclined to assume the earth is eternal.  That is a bad mistake and misunderstands the nature of the kingdom of God, which you mistake for an earthly paradise.     

Rev 21:1  And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.      

Take note there will be a new earth and God will dwell there with all the faithful.

Love and Peace
Dave

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Re: Murder,kill,destroy
« Reply #204 on: May 29, 2021, 05:32:20 PM »
Hi eik
thank you for your reply
And all I'm saying is there is nothing in scripture that says he did go to school if it was important  God would have told us by saying he did you are adding words to scripture this is no good.
The issue has profound theological implications for whether you see Christ's incarnation as an adumbration, or shaddowing forth of God from heaven, as so many see Christ, which is what you seem to infer, where he retains all or some of his divine power even on birth, or whether you just see him as an ordinary human being.

If the latter, he would have needed to go to school, and to be taught the scriptures. If the former, it is you who are adding to scripture.

 
It was not his day of rest it was God the Fathers day of rest which is Christ's millenial reign so Christ shall work the whole of the Fathers sabbath rest God the Father rest because he has full confidence that his Son can finish the creation.

I have not overlooked it what I am saying is the Fathers Sabbath rest is a future event otherwise Christ could not say

Joh_5:17  But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.     

So the Father and son were working up to the time Christ said these words which can only mean the Fathers sabbath rest is a future event.
No, the sabbath day, the seventh day of the week, was the Jewish day of rest. Christ worked on the sabbath. If Christ can do his salvation work on the Sabbath, so too can God.

Creation was finished back in Gen 2:1-3.

No good talking to me about grammar all I know is if I read this section of Pauls letter the overall impression I get is he is speaking of the man in the image of God which is Christ.
Funny how your impression is different from that of so many others. What authority outside of yourself can you give for it? After all, 1 Corinthians has been knocking around for nearly two millennia. Show me just one other person.

Sorry eik but just because Abraham and others had servants dose not prove Noah had them and more importantly there is absolutely nothing in scripture to say there were any of Noah's servants on the Ark that's adding words to scripture that arn't there all the scripture say is there only 8 people on the Ark.
Of course Noah had servants. How do you think he built such a huge ark? How long would it take you to build such an ark by yourself?

Check out its  size:
https://jewishweek.timesofisrael.com/dutch-christian-boatmaker-wants-to-sail-life-size-noahs-ark-replica-to-israel/

On the contrary it supports what I say The Fathers sabbath rest is Christs millennial reign you read Genesis from the wrong perspective
Nowhere does the bible ever say such a thing.

Rev 22:18  For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
Rev 22:19  And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.       


Don't think I have not added or subtracted the only thing I have done is put the creation account in Genesis in a different time frame and for me it works fine it seams your the one who likes to add words to scripture so be careful.
Who gave you the authority to confound Genesis and Rev Chps. 20-22?

You need authority, and your haven't provided any. You are making the association, not me. Don't accuse me falsely.

all those who are the bride of Christ which will form the new Jerusalem which will come down from Heaven to earth with Jesus Christ at the head and they shall reign here on earth for 1000 years as stated in scripture.
Nowhere is anything of the sort stated in scripture.

Rev 21:1  And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.       

Take note there will be a new earth and God will dwell there with all the faithful.
What has this got to do with the "millennium"? Rev 21 comes after the end of it.
https://jewishweek.timesofisrael.com/dutch-christian-boatmaker-wants-to-sail-life-size-noahs-ark-replica-to-israel/

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Re: Murder,kill,destroy
« Reply #205 on: May 30, 2021, 02:03:22 PM »
Hi eik
Thank you for your reply for my self if Jesus went to school or not is irrelevant there's nothing in scripture that says he did best to leave it at that.
Whats important is the three years of his ministry after his baptism and everything he said and did which came from the Father via the HolySpirit.

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     No, the sabbath day, the seventh day of the week, was the Jewish day of rest. Christ worked on the sabbath. If Christ can do his salvation work on the Sabbath, so too can God.

Creation was finished back in Gen 2:1-3         

The Jewish sabbath day mirrors The Fathers Sabbath rest which comes at the end of the creation week the end of which is man in the image of God which is Jesus Christ at his second comming.

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      Funny how your impression is different from that of so many others. What authority outside of yourself can you give for it? After all, 1 Corinthians has been knocking around for nearly two millennia. Show me just one other person         

The only authority I have is the bible its all I need don't take much notice what men have to say.

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  Of course Noah had servants. How do you think he built such a huge ark? How long would it take you to build such an ark by yourself               

He may have had servants but the point is they are not mentioned as being on the ark if they were God would have said so.
Adding things to scripture is not good.

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     all those who are the bride of Christ which will form the new Jerusalem which will come down from Heaven to earth with Jesus Christ at the head and they shall reign here on earth for 1000 years as stated in scripture.

Nowhere is anything of the sort stated in scripture       

I have provided numerous scripture which proove what
I say.


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Re: Murder,kill,destroy
« Reply #206 on: May 30, 2021, 02:52:23 PM »
Hi eik
Thank you for your reply for my self if Jesus went to school or not is irrelevant there's nothing in scripture that says he did best to leave it at that.
Whats important is the three years of his ministry after his baptism and everything he said and did which came from the Father via the HolySpirit.
I think what is important is that Jesus was well versed in the scriptures long before he started his ministry. That is why he never had to change his point of view, as it was during his education he had formulated his views of the true meaning of scripture, with the assistance of the Holy Spirit.

The Jewish sabbath day mirrors The Fathers Sabbath rest which comes at the end of the creation week the end of which is man in the image of God which is Jesus Christ at his second comming.
In which case the Jewish sabbath has no legal basis as God never rested on the seventh day.

In fact it is your contrived teaching which is perverse.

I think it must be almost 10 times now you have refused to comment on Gen 2:1-3.

The only authority I have is the bible its all I need don't take much notice what men have to say.
The only authority you have is yourself. You won't mind then if others choose not to believe you?

He may have had servants but the point is they are not mentioned as being on the ark if they were God would have said so.
Adding things to scripture is not good.
To say he had no servants is an addition to scripture.

I have provided numerous scripture which proove what
I say.
Your scriptures prove nothing but are random assemblages from different parts of the bible mishmashed into a manmade theory that is incoherent and was never taught by the apostles. Anyone can make the bible say anything they want by doing such things.


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Re: Murder,kill,destroy
« Reply #207 on: May 31, 2021, 01:35:22 PM »
Hi eik
Thank you for your reply

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     I think what is important is that Jesus was well versed in the scriptures long before he started his ministry. That is what he never had to change his point of view, as it was during his education he had formulated his views of the true meaning of scripture, with the assistance of the Holy Spirit     

This is pure speculation as far as I can see there's nothing in scripture to support what you say.

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       In which case the Jewish sabbath has no legal basis as God never rested on the seventh day.

In fact it is your contrived teaching which is perverse.

I think it must be almost 10 times now you have refused to comment on Gen 2:1-3         

The weekly sabbath which Jews and Christians keep is a reminder that God the Father rested when he had finished his creation the end of which was man in his image which is Christ at his second comming Gods Sabbath rest is a future event and is absolutely certain its a done deal.

     1  Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

 2  And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

 3  And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made     


The end of Gods creation is man in the image of God and the only one who is said to be the image of God is Jesus Chist

     Heb 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high     

This is said of no other person in the whole of scripture so when Christ is united with his bride we will have man in the image of God the end of creation.

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     The only authority you have is yourself. You won't mind then if others choose not to believe you   

Nobody has to believe a word I say I would ask that they believe the scriptures I quote believe what the bible says not what men say it says.

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    To say he had no servants is an addition to scripture       

How on earth do you work that out there is absolutly nothing in scripture that says Noah had servants to say he did is adding words to Gods words and to say he had servants on the ark is even worse.

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      Your scriptures prove nothing but are random assemblages from different parts of the bible mishmashed into a manmade theory that is incoherent and was never taught by the apostles. Anyone can make the bible say anything they want by doing such things       

This can apply to you as well what authority do you have I'm still waiting for your interpretation of the creation account in Genesis.

Love and Peace
Dave


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