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Re: Murder,kill,destroy
« Reply #192 on: May 22, 2021, 04:03:55 PM »

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     Joh 8:28 Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things       

So it is the Father that has taught Christ so why would he need men to teach him.
Because Christ is not Hermes sent down by Zeus from heaven but born as a human child.

When Paul wrote the above Christ was the only spiritual man and the only one who could judge all things.
So lets leave it to him
Rubbish. A spiritual man is a man with the spirit, i.e. any Christian.

    Gen 1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day            

Its only at the end of the 6th day dose God say everything is very good and this is when man in his image is created and this is Jesus Christ and all those who are his.
Adam is not "Jesus Christ and all those who are his."

Never forgetting God tells us the end from the beginning the end being man in his image
No man in God's image was at the beginning.

I never said christ was created but his bride the church certainly is created this can be seen in Genesis 2
You said "the very last thing God will create is man in his image which is Christ Jesus our Lord"

Christ is not a created being but man in the image of God is and this man consists of the man the head which is Christ and his body the church united in one this is man in the image of God.
You make no sense, not even grammatical sense. Why not stick to what the bible says.

And members of his body can be found in all denominations even JWs like I have said before God judges the heart not the brain.
I disagree. Mk 12:30 "You must love him with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength."

So if you don't worship God with your mind, you are disobeying God, and possibly fatally so.

Besides which, Jer 17:9 "The heart is deceitful above all things and beyond cure. Who can understand it?"

To comply with Gods word all we need to do is
Indeed.

    37  Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

 38  This is the first and great commandment.

 39  And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

 40  On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets       


Its love in the heart God looks for not whats in the head.
Rubbish: the two cannot be separated, as you make out.

     If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. And if I have prophetic powers, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. If I give away all I have, and if I deliver up my body to be burned, but have not love, I gain nothing.   Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful;  it does not rejoice at wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth. Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.  Love never ends. As for prophecies, they will pass away; as for tongues, they will cease; as for knowledge, it will pass away. For we know in part and we prophesy in part, but when the perfect comes, the partial will pass away. When I was a child, I spoke like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I gave up childish ways. For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I have been fully known.  So now faith, hope, and love abide, these three; but the greatest of these is love.
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Re: Murder,kill,destroy
« Reply #193 on: May 23, 2021, 04:17:28 PM »
Hi eik
Thank you for your reply.

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Hi eik
Thank you for your reply

     Joh 8:28 Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things       

So it is the Father that has taught Christ so why would he need men to teach him.
Because Christ is not Hermes sent down by Zeus from heaven but born as a human child.       


what on earth has greek gods have to do with Christ besides what could he possibly learn from them that had got every thing wrong

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Rubbish. A spiritual man is a man with the spirit, i.e. any Christian.   

I like it when people use the word rubbish it means they don't have an answer to refute what I say besides I see a spiritual man as Christ was after his resurrection he could appear and disappear at will can you do that.

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Adam is not "Jesus Christ and all those who are his."     

But Jesus Christ is the last Adam and would be created in the same way head and body.

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No man in God's image was at the beginning.     

The first Adam was created in Gods image but he was spoiled by the angles that came down from heaven and cohabited with the woman and produced a cross bread between angles and man so God destroyed that creation and began a new with Noah and everything on the ark.

 
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You said "the very last thing God will create is man in his image which is Christ Jesus our Lord"       

Its obvious that Christ is not created but man in gods image is created and the head of that man is Christ and the body is the church his bride.

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Its love in the heart God looks for not whats in the head.

Rubbish: the two cannot be separated, as you make out.           

1Pe_4:8  Above all, keep loving one another earnestly, since love covers a multitude of sins.     

But it's love that's the most important

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Love does not preach false doctrines.       

I never said it did

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Re: Murder,kill,destroy
« Reply #194 on: May 23, 2021, 08:04:19 PM »
Hi eik
Thank you for your reply.
 

what on earth has greek gods have to do with Christ besides what could he possibly learn from them that had got every thing wrong
It's what you're implying, that a god came down from heaven already knowing the scriptures.

I like it when people use the word rubbish it means they don't have an answer to refute what I say besides I see a spiritual man as Christ was after his resurrection he could appear and disappear at will can you do that.
Why would Paul be alluding to Christ in the context? Why cannot a man with the Holy Spirit be spiritual? Is this because you uphold the JW doctrine that the Holy Spirit is a force, not a living spirit?

But Jesus Christ is the last Adam and would be created in the same way head and body.
He said he was "from above" Jhn 8:23 i.e. not created. Only those from below are created. I take the point that his body was created, but Christ regarded his body as the temple of God, and distinguishable from himself Jhn 2:19, which would make no sense if Christ was limited to just his body.

The first Adam was created in Gods image but he was spoiled by the angles that came down from heaven and cohabited with the woman and produced a cross bread between angles and man so God destroyed that creation and began a new with Noah and everything on the ark.
The bible never says that. It simply says that the angels sinned by forsaking their first estate. Jude 1:6. As I have pointed out countless times already, their descendants survived the flood, as they were living in Canaan when the Israelites invaded. So your theory fails in everything.

Its obvious that Christ is not created but man in gods image is created and the head of that man is Christ and the body is the church his bride.
I refuse to be drawn by your usage of the word "create". You cannot build a biblical theology on people being born and saved and then merely label this as "part of the original creation as people are being created in the image of Christ." Such simplistic nonsense is not even worthy of contradiction. There was a clear demarcation between the original creation in Gen 1 & 2:1-3, and everything that followed on the 7th day. It's just such rubbish to say that the 6th day continues. It's not even intellectually challenging. I can't fathom how anyone would pursue it to the lengths that you do.

What is the point in your flagrant disregard of Gen 2:1-3?

1Pe_4:8  Above all, keep loving one another earnestly, since love covers a multitude of sins.     

But it's love that's the most important
What love constitutes is what builds up, and I've yet to be built up by listening to your wild and clearly man-made theories which have no credible or identifiable origination in logic or in history. I am well aware that there all kinds of sects linked to the JWs and others of that ilk, and also the Brethren, engaged in all manner of cranky prophecies that the apostles never dreamed of, and which I have no interest in, as I don't regard it as orthodox Christianity.

I seen all dispensationalism as heretical, unless expressly sanctioned by the apostles.

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Re: Murder,kill,destroy
« Reply #195 on: May 24, 2021, 04:17:53 PM »
Hi eik
Thank you for your reply you said

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It's what you're implying, that a god came down from heaven already knowing the scriptures.     

I am not saying anything of the kind you are just twisting my words as usual Christ came into the world as the son of man he was also the son of God and its plain from scripture that everything he said and did came from the Father and that he would have questioned those in the temple from that perspective is pretty obvious

Luk 2:47  And all that heard him were astonished at his understanding and answers.
Luk 2:48  And when they saw him, they were amazed: and his mother said unto him, Son, why hast thou thus dealt with us? behold, thy father and I have sought thee sorrowing.
Luk 2:49  And he said unto them, How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father's business?         


Where did Jesus get all this understanding He was the son of a carpenter most probably never went to school where did he get all his knowledge of the scriptures to ask questions and astonish people the only answer is from his heavenly Father

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Why would Paul be alluding to Christ in the context? Why cannot a man with the Holy Spirit be spiritual? Is this because you uphold the JW doctrine that the Holy Spirit is a force, not a living spirit?       

We become spiritual beings either when Christ brings us with him at his second coming after we have died or if we are alive at his coming we will be translated and meat him in the clouds.

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He said he was "from above" Jhn 8:23 i.e. not created. Only those from below are created. I take the point that his body was created, but Christ regarded his body as the temple of God, and distinguishable from himself Jhn 2:19, which would make no sense if Christ was limited to just his body.       

Man in Gods Image is Christ the Head and the church his Bride when they become one at his second coming you will have man in the image of God.

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The bible never says that. It simply says that the angels sinned by forsaking their first estate. Jude 1:6. As I have pointed out countless times already, their descendants survived the flood, as they were living in Canaan when the Israelites invaded. So your theory fails in everything     


Gen 6:2  That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
Gen 6:3  And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
Gen 6:4  There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
 Gen 6:5  And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.       


Seams pretty plain to me that God was very dissatisfied with mankind and the angels which he locked away and vowed to destroy them for all the evil they were committing but he saved Noah and his family.

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I refuse to be drawn by your usage of the word "create". You cannot build a biblical theology on people being born and saved and then merely label this as "part of the original creation as people are being created in the image of Christ." Such simplistic nonsense is not even worthy of contradiction. There was a clear demarcation between the original creation in Gen 1 & 2:1-3, and everything that followed on the 7th day. It's just such rubbish to say that the 6th day continues. It's not even intellectually challenging. I can't fathom how anyone would pursue it to the lengths that you do.         

I have never said that people were created in the image of Christ Please do not mis quote me what I have said is that Christ and his church when united as one are Man in Gods image or it would be better to say mankind in Gods image.
As I have said many times before Genesis is the story of the creation Of man in Gods image and the only one in the whole of scripture who is said to be him is Jesus Christ no one else.

So what is your belief that God created a cave man and woman 6000 years ago gave them the world to look after then put his feet up and has rested ever since.

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What love constitutes is what builds up, and I've yet to be built up by listening to your wild and clearly man-made theories which have no credible or identifiable origination in logic or in history. I am well aware that there all kinds of sects linked to the JWs and others of that ilk, and also the Brethren, engaged in all manner of cranky prophecies that the apostles never dreamed of, and which I have no interest in, as I don't regard it as orthodox Christianity.

I seen all dispensationalism as heretical, unless expressly sanctioned by the apostles.       

I am still waiting to hear what you believe in you never give a better explanation for scriptures quoted you just pick holes in everything others say but none of us has any idea what you believe.

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Re: Murder,kill,destroy
« Reply #196 on: May 24, 2021, 07:45:49 PM »
Hi eik
Thank you for your reply you said

I am not saying anything of the kind you are just twisting my words as usual Christ came into the world as the son of man he was also the son of God and its plain from scripture that everything he said and did came from the Father and that he would have questioned those in the temple from that perspective is pretty obvious

Luk 2:47  And all that heard him were astonished at his understanding and answers.
Luk 2:48  And when they saw him, they were amazed: and his mother said unto him, Son, why hast thou thus dealt with us? behold, thy father and I have sought thee sorrowing.
Luk 2:49  And he said unto them, How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father's business?         

I am not twisting your words in the least. You are stating that Jesus needed no human education because God somehow magically enabled him to be omniscient. This infers that he was a god in human form, not a normal human being who learnt from interaction of his senses with the world. It also repudiates the idea in Heb 2:17,

"Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people."

Where did Jesus get all this understanding He was the son of a carpenter most probably never went to school where did he get all his knowledge of the scriptures to ask questions and astonish people the only answer is from his heavenly Father
Most probably never went to school? Shows you know nothing. From 5th or 6th year until the 10th year Jewish children went to the synagogue school where they studied the bible.
https://materchristi.libguides.com/life_in_the_time_of_Jesus/children_education

We become spiritual beings either when Christ brings us with him at his second coming after we have died or if we are alive at his coming we will be translated and meat him in the clouds.
How sad (for you and your theory), because Christ said that unless you are born of the spirit you will never enter the kingdom of God:

Jhn 3:5 Jesus answered, "Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit."

You need to become a spiritual man in this life.

Man in Gods Image is Christ the Head and the church his Bride when they become one at his second coming you will have man in the image of God.
Unless you are united with Christ in this life, you will not be in the next:

Deu 22:23 "If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her;

Deu 22:24 "Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city; and the man, because he hath humbled his neighbour's wife: so thou shalt put away evil from among you."

So it is clear that the bride of Christ is already deemed to be united with the husband under the law. Since we are only talking about spiritual marriage, then there must be a spiritual uniting in this life.

Phl 2:1 "Therefore if you have any encouragement from being united with Christ..."

Moreover it is clear that Adam in God's image in Gen 1 is not "Christ united with his church."


Gen 6:2  That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
Gen 6:3  And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
Gen 6:4  There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
 Gen 6:5  And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.       


Seams pretty plain to me that God was very dissatisfied with mankind and the angels which he locked away and vowed to destroy them for all the evil they were committing but he saved Noah and his family.
True, but as I have pointed out, the flood was limited in extent to the known world of the Adamites, which was Sumer and its environs. Later we find the descendants of these angels marriages in Canaan (Num 13:33 "And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.") So they must have emigrated to Canaan from Sumer before the flood.

I have never said that people were created in the image of Christ Please do not mis quote me what I have said is that Christ and his church when united as one are Man in Gods image or it would be better to say mankind in Gods image.
You say that, but the bible never does say it. Rather it says 1Co 11:7 "A man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God;"

Nothing about mankind here.

As I have said many times before Genesis is the story of the creation Of man in Gods image and the only one in the whole of scripture who is said to be him is Jesus Christ no one else.
I disagree. Adam was in the image of God before he sinned, and remained so after he sinned, but in an imperfect and altered sinful state. I agree that Christ was the only true image of God where image includes the spiritual as well as the temporal Col 1:15.

We have to distinguish the difference in the usage of likeness in the OT also, where the NT uses that word in a rather more precise and spiritual way, and with particular reference to Jesus Christ as the only true likeness, due to him being the begotten son of God, and not an adopted son of God as all other human sons.

So what is your belief that God created a cave man and woman 6000 years ago gave them the world to look after then put his feet up and has rested ever since.
I have stated my belief previously: the 7th day is the day of salvation, i.e. today. That is why Christ saved on the 7th day. Hence Heb 3:7 "So, as the Holy Spirit says: "Today, if you hear his voice..." The seventh day is the only day that is incomplete.

I am still waiting to hear what you believe in you never give a better explanation for scriptures quoted you just pick holes in everything others say but none of us has any idea what you believe.
My beliefs are too simple for you. The 7th day is the day of man's salvation, the day of rest. This association in clearly made in Heb 3 & 4. I suggest you study these chapters carefully.

Heb 3:13 "But encourage one another daily, as long as it is called "Today," so that none of you may be hardened by sin?s deceitfulness."

Heb 3 & 4 show that the concept of "today" remains the same day today, as in the OT. It relates to the opportunity to enter into God's rest, i.e. God's sabbath rest. It directly associates the seventh day of creation, the sabbath rest of God, with the salvation of believers in the here and now.

Heb 3:14 "We have come to share in Christ, if indeed we hold our original conviction firmly to the very end.
Heb 3:15 "As has just been said: "Today, if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts as you did in the rebellion."
Heb 3:16 "Who were they who heard and rebelled? Were they not all those Moses led out of Egypt?"
Heb 3:17 "And with whom was he angry for forty years? Was it not with those who sinned, whose bodies perished in the wilderness?"
Heb 3:18 "And to whom did God swear that they would never enter his rest if not to those who disobeyed?"
Heb 3:19 "So we see that they were not able to enter, because of their unbelief."

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« Reply #197 on: May 25, 2021, 01:35:03 PM »
Hi eik
Thank you for your reply Jesus was the son of man and also the son of God and as I understand it would have been instructed by his farthers

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    How sad (for you and your theory), because Christ said that unless you are born of the spirit you will never enter the kingdom of God:       

We can receive the HolySpirit when we believe to instruct us in the scriptures and we will become spiritual being at his second comming

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     Moreover it is clear that Adam in God's image in Gen 1 is not "Christ united with his church       

I never said he was twisting my words again what I have said is they are both created after the same creation account in Genesis

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   True, but as I have pointed out, the flood was limited in extent to the known world of the Adamites, which was Sumer and its environs. Later we find the descendants of these angels marriages in Canaan (Num 13:33 "And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.") So they must have emigrated to Canaan from Sumer before the flood       

How dbig the flood was we do not know we are not told what ever we say is speculation that there were giants after the flood is not in question but they may have come through Noah's sons and there wives they were never said to be righteous the could have carried over in their genes the nessarsery information to produce giants more speculation of course we do not know where the giants came from after the flood best jest to accept it as we have it in scripture.

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     You say that, but the bible never does say it. Rather it says 1Co 11:7 "A man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God;"

Nothing about mankind here.         


Depends on what man Paul is speaking of is it man in Gods image which is Christ or an ordenary man.

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   I disagree. Adam was in the image of God before he sinned, and remained so after he sinned, but in an imperfect and altered sinful state. I agree that Christ was the only true image of God where image includes the spiritual as well as the temporal Col 1:15       

But the first Adam was destroyed in the flood he ceased to be so God began again with the man of flesh which was Israel then the nation of Israel ceased to be when destroyed by Rome then God the creation of the spiritual man in his image which is Christ and his bride united as one.

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     I have stated my belief previously: the 7th day is the day of salvation, i.e. today. That is why Christ saved on the 7th day. Hence Heb 3:7 "So, as the Holy Spirit says: "Today, if you hear his voice..." The seventh day is the only day that is incomplete       

I believe that the today mentioned here is any day after Christs resurrection when we here the gospel and accept it on that day we are saved.

As for the letter to the Hebrews its one of my favourite books in the bible as for Gods sabbath rest its the last day of this creation which began with Noah its also Christ 1000 year reign.

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« Reply #198 on: May 25, 2021, 08:54:49 PM »
Hi eik
Thank you for your reply Jesus was the son of man and also the son of God and as I understand it would have been instructed by his farthers
farthers? What do mean by that?

We can receive the HolySpirit when we believe to instruct us in the scriptures and we will become spiritual being at his second comming
We become a spiritual being on receiving the Holy Spirit (reborn of the spirit)

1Co 2:13 "Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual." (KJV)

1Co 2:13 "This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, explaining spiritual realities with Spirit-taught words" (NIV)

1Co 1:7 "Therefore you do not lack any spiritual gift as you eagerly wait for our Lord Jesus Christ to be revealed."

1Co 12:10 "To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:"

The man with the spirit discerns the things of the spirit. How could it be otherwise?

I never said he was twisting my words again what I have said is they are both created after the same creation account in Genesis
There is nothing to suggest that the creation account in Gen refers to the later advent of Christ, and to born again believers, except by way of prophecy, e.g. in Gen 3:15.

How dbig the flood was we do not know we are not told what ever we say is speculation that there were giants after the flood is not in question but they may have come through Noah's sons and there wives they were never said to be righteous the could have carried over in their genes the nessarsery information to produce giants more speculation of course we do not know where the giants came from after the flood best jest to accept it as we have it in scripture.
The giants and the Nephilim are denoted by the same Hebrew word. They are indistinguishable. The inference is that all giants are descended from the angels.

Depends on what man Paul is speaking of is it man in Gods image which is Christ or an ordenary man.
Obviously he is talking to the men of the Corithinian church as individual men.

But the first Adam was destroyed in the flood he ceased to be so God began again with the man of flesh which was Israel then the nation of Israel ceased to be when destroyed by Rome then God the creation of the spiritual man in his image which is Christ and his bride united as one.
No where does any of this appear in the bible (as Noah was a direct descendant of Adam) except I'll agree that the nation of Israel ceased to be when destroyed by Rome, as a historical fact (not a biblical fact), but that didn't occur until AD135. "In a.d. 135, the nation of Israel ceased to exist. "James W. Goll, 2009.

I believe that the today mentioned here is any day after Christs resurrection when we here the gospel and accept it
on that day we are saved.
The prophecy was first given to the Israelites in the time of David the king, i.e. Psa 95:7-11, so "today" must be a long time prior to Christ's resurrection.

As for the letter to the Hebrews its one of my favourite books in the bible as for Gods sabbath rest its the last day of this creation which began with Noah its also Christ 1000 year reign.
Fortunately not: see Gen 2:1-3, Psa 95:7-11, Heb 3,4 so the promise of entering into God's rest has existed since the foundation of the world in the days of Adam.

Seems you don't accept the promises of God given to men. You destroy hope by putting everything off to a future "millennium" that is a figment of your imagination.

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« Reply #199 on: May 26, 2021, 01:46:20 PM »
Hi eik
Thank you for your reply

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     farthers? What do mean by that?   

Thought that was obvious he had his heavenly Father and he had his earthly father Joseph.

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      We become a spiritual being on receiving the Holy Spirit (reborn of the spirit     

That we recieve the spirit when we believe in not in question but we don't  receive a spiritual body we remain in the flesh otherwise we would not need to be translated at our Lords second comming.

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       The man with the spirit discerns the things of the spirit. How could it be otherwise         

Agreed

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    There is nothing to suggest that the creation account in Gen refers to the later advent of Christ, and to born again believers, except by way of prophecy, e.g. in Gen 3:15     

The creation account in Genesis can be traced through the history of Israel and in the life of Christ they both follow the same path.

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   Obviously he is talking to the men of the Corithinian church as individual men         

Is he really what about

     8  For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man.

 9  Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man     


Here Paul is speaking of the creation account in Genesis which is about Adam and Eve and we know Adam is man in the image of God.

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     No where does any of this appear in the bible (as Noah was a direct descendant of Adam) except I'll agree that the nation of Israel ceased to be when destroyed by Rome, as a historical fact (not a biblical fact), but that didn't occur until AD135. "In a.d. 135, the nation of Israel ceased to exist. "James W. Goll, 2009       

       Gen 6:7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them. note View more

Gen 6:13 And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth. note View more

Gen 6:17 And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die.     


Seams pretty straightforward to me God would destroy mankind ( Adam )

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      Fortunately not: see Gen 2:1-3, Psa 95:7-11, Heb 3,4 so the promise of entering into God's rest has existed since the foundation of the world in the days of Adam       

If we sall enter into God's sabbath rest it stands to reason its a future event we can't go back thousands of years to enter it.
So I say Gods sabbath rest is Christs millennial reign.

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      Seems you don't accept the promises of God given to men. You destroy hope by putting everything off to a future "millennium" that is a figment of your imagination     

       Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years   

 Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years   


So these verses from St John are a lie please read what it says Christ will reign here on earth 1000 years.

Love and peace
Dave

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