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Re: Murder,kill,destroy
« Reply #152 on: May 03, 2021, 04:49:36 PM »

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Hi eik
Thank you for your reply sorry if I have confused you will try to put it as simply as possible.

First comes the rapture when christ comes with all those who have died in him and all those who are still alive will be changed and join Christ in the air this is the marriage of Christ and his bride and they become one this is man in the image of God.
This is the start of the millenium then Christ and bride will come down to earth this is the new Jerusalem from which the king of Kings shall rule the world for a thousand years with his bride the church at the same time satan and all those who are his will be bound for 1000 years.
At the end of the 1000 years satan will be released for a short time the final test to see if all those who have come through the millennium can reject satan and choose God.
Christ will then hand all those who have come through the millennium back to God who will create a new heaven and earth what that will be we are not told.

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One problem is as I have said that your synopsis is a meta narrative that doesn't appear in the bible. The other is that the vision of the New Jerusalem is synymous with the new heavens and new earth in Rev 21:1,2, and so your re-arrangement of verses clearly contradicts the Revelation narrative. Another problem is that your meta narrative clearly supersedes the teaching of Christ in Matt 24, and doesn't really have any relation to it. You seem to be preaching an entirely new religion.

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Re: Murder,kill,destroy
« Reply #153 on: May 04, 2021, 11:45:21 AM »
Hi eik
Thank you for your reply

     51  Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

 52  In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed   


This will happen at the beginning of the millenium this is formation of the body of Christ this is the new Jerusalem which will come down to earth and rule for 1000 years.
This new Jerusalem has eternal life it cannot die and as such will be transferred into the new heaven and earth witch God shall create.

The new Jerusalem is the whole body of believers who are translated into spiritual beings who will enter the new heaven and earth  which God shall create.

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Re: Murder,kill,destroy
« Reply #154 on: May 04, 2021, 12:17:44 PM »
Hi eik
Thank you for your reply

     51  Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

 52  In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed   


This will happen at the beginning of the millenium this is formation of the body of Christ this is the new Jerusalem which will come down to earth and rule for 1000 years.
This new Jerusalem has eternal life it cannot die and as such will be transferred into the new heaven and earth witch God shall create.
New Jerusalem only exists when Satan has been defeated.

Rev 20:10 "And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever."
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Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband."

But this is what happens at the end of the millennium

Rev 20:7 "And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,"

Rev 20:8 "And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea."

Again I say, your're just re-writing the bible to create a new religion.






The new Jerusalem is the whole body of believers who are translated into spiritual beings who will enter the new heaven and earth  which God shall create.

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Re: Murder,kill,destroy
« Reply #155 on: Yesterday at 11:31:48 AM »
New Jerusalem only exists when Satan has been defeated.

Agreed   

Rev 20:10 "And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever."
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This will   happen at the end of the millenium         
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Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband."

    This is the start of the new heaven and earth that God will create after the millennial reign of Christ         

But this is what happens at the end of the millennium

  Nice to see you believing in the millenium       

Rev 20:7 "And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,"

  this will happen at the very end of Christ's millennial reign         

Rev 20:8 "And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea."

  this is also the end of the millennium the final test     to make sure all those who have come through the millennium stay true to God.

Then this will happen

        8  And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

 9  And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

 10  And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever           
   
So we can be absolutely sure that God shall win the final battle and the new heaven and earth can begin


Again I say, your're just re-writing the bible to create a new religion.

I am not rewriting anything jest my interpretation of scripture as I see it I see you hardly ever give your interpretation you jest attack everyone else's

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The new Jerusalem is the whole body of believers who are translated into spiritual beings who will enter the new heaven and earth  which God shall create.

Love and peace
Dave


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Re: Murder,kill,destroy
« Reply #156 on: Yesterday at 03:56:46 PM »
So you agree that the New Jerusalem only exists when Satan has been defeated? Yet you have just said that the Zech 14 prophecy applies to the millennium and infers the New Jerusalem will exist during the millennium.

You chop and change and chop and change all the time. One moment its the old Jerusalem, the next the new Jerusalem.

I can't hold a debate with someone who keeps on contradicting themselves.

No I don't believe in your millennium. I was quoting your vocabulary for the sake of abbreviation.

Let's go back in time. You said the Zech 14 reference to Jerusalem refers to the millennium. Then you said, it must be the New Jerusalem. But now your're saying, its the Old Jerusalem because the New Jerusalem doesn't exist until Satan has been defeated which is after the end of the millennium?

I think I have proved that you haven't got the least idea what you're talking about.

Yes you are re-writing the bible, because the "millennium" is not found in the bible. It's an invention of man, quite as bad as the Trinity, which is also not found in the bible.

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