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Hi eikThank you for your reply it seams that everything boils down to what man in the image of God you say its an ordenary man I say no its not because we have two very good examples in the bible Israel and Christ.If we take Christ as our prime example I believe it will be completed at his second coming when he is united with his bride his body and they become one what we can deduce from this is man in the image of God is a whole multitude of people under the leadership of Christ.
Just says Noah was a man of faith says absolutly nothing about him being in the image of God the bible is full of men of faith dose not mean as individuals they are in the image of God but they will be part of that man when Christ returns.
You don't have to believe me but as a professing Christian you have to believe the scriptures and when the bible says Christ will reign for a thousand years then that's what will happen.
The only place I get what I say is from the bible
I don't know what dispensationist propaganda means let alone read.
The first Adam would have been created in the same way as the last Adam a whole multitude of people which all perished in the flood except for Noah and his family.
2Pe 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost I think you read the whole section.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. 9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. 10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever Note verse 7 satan released after a 1000 years thats the millenium Gog and Magog join satan and they are devoured by the fire from God so Gog and Magog are no more and satan is cast into the lake of fire.
Mat 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.John 5:24 ESVhttps://bible.com/bible/59/jhn.5.24.ESV Those who are chosen as was the Apostles and those who are called and have accepted Christ as there Lord and Saviour.
Don't know what dispensationist means and to say the millenium is a heresy is to deny the word of God which plainly says that Christ will reign for a thousand years.
Christ is already reigning. Your problem is that you don't seem to believe that he is
The only place I get what I say is from the bibleI don't think so.
All dispensationalists are millennialists, like you. The millennium is just one of many dispensations when physicial Israel will be restored
Men perished, so what? I am sure a lot more died in WWII but did that usher in a new dispensation
Yes but Gog and Magog exist and stand for pagan barbarians who exist throughout all the ages of the earth. The reason they "join" satan is because they were never believers. They lived alongside believers like weeds exist alongside the wheat. Then at the end of the millennium, the weeds take over the field, as we are increasingly seeing today
A dispensationalist is what you are. Why don't you google it? They also like to use the KJV
Can you name me just one other usage of "1000" in the bible which is to be taken in a literal sense
Hi eik Thank you for your reply hundreds of years ago when people believed that God created man in 6 days then rested is perfectly correct thats what I believe there was nothing then to contradict it but now we have science and Darwin.All I am saying is what people believed years ago that God will create man in his image in 6 day's which are 1000 years long and that this creation began after the flood quite simple really.
Christ has been reigning from the very beginning of creation its through him and for him all things are created why on earth do you think I would not believe it.
Are you saying I'm a lier
Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob And not forgetting we have been grafted into Israels tree.
WW11 was man made the flood was from God to remove the man contaminated by the angles.
The main point is that Gog Magog and Satan will be removed.
Dose it really matter what name we go by its whats in our hearts the God looks at and what he is looking for is Love how we arrive at that love is secondary but the most important thing is that we love God and love our neighbours and our enemies.
If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. And if I have prophetic powers, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. If I give away all I have, and if I deliver up my body to be burned, but have not love, I gain nothing. Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; it does not rejoice at wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth. Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. Love never ends. As for prophecies, they will pass away; as for tongues, they will cease; as for knowledge, it will pass away. For we know in part and we prophesy in part, but when the perfect comes, the partial will pass away. When I was a child, I spoke like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I gave up childish ways. For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I have been fully known. So now faith, hope, and love abide, these three; but the greatest of these is love.1 Corinthians 13:1-13 ESVhttps://bible.com/bible/59/1co.13.1-13.ESV
Wonderful words so what we believe is not so important as how we love.
So there were provided, out of the thousands of Israel, a thousand from each tribe, twelve thousand armed for war.Numbers 31:5 ESVhttps://bible.com/bible/59/num.31.5.ESV
If he is reigning then why would he need to come to earth for the millennium? Is it some sort of party
A spiritual tree, to be sure, but many branches have also been broken off. That is why I say Israel is but a name for the spiritual children of God, but it isn't to say that before Israel existed as a nation there were not children of God in the world. In other words, the nation of Israel is no longer the focus of God's spiritual affairs
23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again
As I have said before, those "contaminated" by the angels survived the flood
I don't agree that "what we believe is not so important" because what we believe will determine how we love
Hi eik Thank you for your reply no one has to agree with me and I don't deman that the do and never have that you making assumptions about me again.The only proof I need is the word of God wich outweighs the word of man everything I have said is based in scripture if my interpretation is wrong give me a better one.
III. That man was made in God?s image and after his likeness, two words to express the same thing and making each other the more expressive; image and likeness denote the likest image, the nearest resemblance of any of the visible creatures. Man was not made in the likeness of any creature that went before him, but in the likeness of his Creator; yet still between God and man there is an infinite distance. Christ only is the express image of God?s person, as the Son of his Father, having the same nature. It is only some of God?s honour that is put upon man, who is God?s image only as the shadow in the glass, or the king?s impress upon the coin. God?s image upon man consists in these three things:?1. In his nature and constitution, not those of his body (for God has not a body), but those of his soul. This honour indeed God has put upon the body of man, that the Word was made flesh, the Son of God was clothed with a body like ours and will shortly clothe ours with a glory like that of his. And this we may safely say, That he by whom God made the worlds, not only the great world, but man the little world, formed the human body, at the first, according to the platform he designed for himself in the fulness of time. But it is the soul, the great soul, of man, that does especially bear God?s image. The soul is a spirit, an intelligent immortal spirit, an influencing active spirit, herein resembling God, the Father of Spirits, and the soul of the world. The spirit of man is the candle of the Lord. The soul of man, considered in its three noble faculties, understanding, will, and active power, is perhaps the brightest clearest looking-glass in nature, wherein to see God. 2. In his place and authority: Let us make man in our image, and let him have dominion. As he has the government of the inferior creatures, he is, as it were, God?s representative, or viceroy, upon earth; they are not capable of fearing and serving God, therefore God has appointed them to fear and serve man. Yet his government of himself by the freedom of his will has in it more of God?s image than his government of the creatures. 3. In his purity and rectitude. God?s image upon man consists in knowledge, righteousness, and true holiness, Eph. 4:24; Col. 3:10. He was upright, Eccl. 7:29. He had an habitual conformity of all his natural powers to the whole will of God. His understanding saw divine things clearly and truly, and there were no errors nor mistakes in his knowledge. His will complied readily and universally with the will o 42ad f God, without reluctancy or resistance. His affections were all regular, and he had no inordinate appetites or passions. His thoughts were easily brought and fixed to the best subjects, and there was no vanity nor ungovernableness in them. All the inferior powers were subject to the dictates and directions of the superior, without any mutiny or rebellion. Thus holy, thus happy, were our first parents, in having the image of God upon them. And this honour, put upon man at first, is a good reason why we should not speak ill one of another (Jas. 3:9), nor do ill one to another (Gen. 9:6), and a good reason why we should not debase ourselves to the service of sin, and why we should devote ourselves to God?s service. But how art thou fallen, O son of the morning! How is this image of God upon man defaced! How small are the remains of it, and how great the ruins of it! The Lord renew it upon our souls by his sanctifying grace!
How bo you interpret Genesis for example.
He will come and reign for 1000 years because the bible say he will I also believe its the Farthers sabbath rest the last day of this creation.
Israel is Gods son and God loves him and God will save him.
Never said they didn't all I said was God destroyed the creation before the flood
4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. 5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually That should settle the matter.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. 9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. 10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever Gog and Magog will be devoured by God.
I don't agree to Love is the most important if it is dependent on what we believe then it would mean that out of all the different denominations in the world today no one could be saved because the all believe different things the only way we can be saved is through love.
30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. 31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these To be saved we need to follow these commands to the letter.
I give you Matthew Henry's commentary on "man in the image of God
Strictly as history.I have no better current interpretation than that of David Rohl: e.g. the Lost Testament (2002). Here Adam was the ruler of a tribe that lived in Eden, located midway between the Caspian sea and the mediterranean and then after being expelled, migrated south towards the Persian gulf
Your sentiment conflicts with the bible:Heb 4:10 "for anyone who enters God's rest also rests from their works, just as God [did] from his."All the verbs in Heb 4:10 are "Aorist Active Indicative"The aorist tense is a secondary tense, and accordingly, in the indicative mood it indicates past action.The inference is that God has already rested from his works, as the past tense is used of God entering into his rest (not the future which you imply
Gog and Magog will be devoured by God.That is after your "millennium
There is commonality in belief. Belief is prerequisite because otherwise love might be imaginary. Denominations are of man, faith is of God. Denominations denote the separateness of man, not necessarily distinctions in real faith.1Jo 3:23 "And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us."They are inseperable
Hi eik Thank you for your reply you said Thank you interesting read some good points raised but nothing to change my mind.
I find nothing in scripture to support the above just the speculation of a man.
The only thing I did find interesting was he said the word Adam means mankind so God said let us make mankind in our image which supports what I say very well.
And this will be achieved in Christ at the end of the millenium.
3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. 4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. 5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest. 6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief: note 7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts. 8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. note 9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. note 10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. 11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief If we read the above we see that we can enter Gods sabbath rest so it must be a future event and I say its Christs millennial reign the 7th day of this creation.
And then we have this from our Lord. But Jesus answered them, ?My Father is working until now, and I am working.?John 5:17 ESVhttps://bible.com/bible/59/jhn.5.17.ESV So if the Father was still working up to the time Christ said these words I think its safe to say the Fathers sabbath rest is a future event.
True but satan will be bound for a 1000 years and I assume all those who belong to him the millenium will be a time of peace and love.
But love is the greatest without love everything else is meaningless read 1 Corinthians 13:1-13 ESV again.
OK, I'll certainly not quibble with "mankind" being in the image of God, but I think that mankind was only deemed to be in the image of God from the time of Adam (Luke 3:38), or even Noah, as there must have been some kind of transition from evolutionary homosapiens to mankind
Jesus worked on the Sabbath to save souls. Why shouldn't God work on his Sabbath to save souls
Finally you have'nt really answered my question about why the administration of justice to wicked and evil men is incompatible with Christianity. You're so non-committal. It's only recently that man has had the capacity to lock large numbers of people up in prisons for lengthy periods of time. In previously centuries, no such facilities were available, especially not in 1500BC. I really cannot understand how you can impose a duty on ancient Israel to be "nice" to those whom would willingly kill them.
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