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Re: Especially those who believe
« Reply #80 on: February 14, 2021, 06:22:09 PM »

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Wait a minute! Are you saying that we need to be saved first before we believe?
That's totally round the wrong way!
Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you WILL BE saved
WILL BE ... that's in the future
I agree, except that if God's foreknowledge is also taken into account, then appointment to salvation predates belief.  All I was pointing out was the saved are those who believe in this life, not on the day of judgement.

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Re: Especially those who believe
« Reply #81 on: February 14, 2021, 07:17:23 PM »
Bible proof?
Heaven and Earth will pass away but His words will never pass away
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Re: Especially those who believe
« Reply #82 on: February 14, 2021, 08:26:49 PM »
Bible proof?
Heaven and Earth will pass away but His words will never pass away
1Pe 1:9

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Re: Especially those who believe
« Reply #83 on: February 14, 2021, 08:38:00 PM »
And that proves it how?
I have to admit, at first glance, that doesn't seem very relevant.
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Re: Especially those who believe
« Reply #84 on: February 14, 2021, 10:41:21 PM »
And that proves it how?
I have to admit, at first glance, that doesn't seem very relevant.
It shows that salvation is by faith in Jesus as the son of God, and not by sight of God arrayed for judgement, when every knee will bow &etc.

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Re: Especially those who believe
« Reply #85 on: February 15, 2021, 01:20:35 AM »
So we're going back and forward here seemingly with no end in sight.
I thought we had agreed that faith was NOT a requirement for salvation but a work of God in us.
If I was mistaken, please let me know where and how.
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Re: Especially those who believe
« Reply #86 on: February 15, 2021, 01:27:24 AM »



Yes salvation is a work of God inside you..

Alongside that - you will experience problems and troubles..

Do you believe evryine who runs - outisde of your house and has all the kit - is running the Christian race ?


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Re: Especially those who believe
« Reply #87 on: February 15, 2021, 09:19:36 AM »
So we're going back and forward here seemingly with no end in sight.
I thought we had agreed that faith was NOT a requirement for salvation but a work of God in us.
If I was mistaken, please let me know where and how.
You thought I had agreed that "faith was NOT a requirement for salvation?" You thought nothing of the kind as I have never said anything of that ilk.

Faith is a work of grace, and equally the work of man building on the foundation of grace, which is the foundation of salvation. "By grace are ye saved through faith and it is not of yourselves, but the gift of God." Eph 2:8. I wrote that out from memory (nearly). I suggest you memorize it also.

This repudiates the idea that final judgement can be a foundation of salvation which universalists believe.

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