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Re: Especially those who believe
« Reply #8 on: February 06, 2021, 08:40:00 PM »

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Romans 1:20  For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:


REV 13:8  All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life ofthe Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
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If universal salvation isn't true, what will happen to all the people who are being born or are to be born =- at Christ'a coming..?



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Re: Especially those who believe
« Reply #9 on: February 06, 2021, 08:46:18 PM »
What is the penalty? The forfeiture of eternal life, and destuction in hell. But  hell is reserved for the wicked.
Do you mean they are destroyed in hell, i.e. completely annihilated?
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Re: Especially those who believe
« Reply #10 on: February 06, 2021, 09:08:13 PM »


Romans 1:20  For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:


REV 13:8  All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life ofthe Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
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If universal salvation isn't true, what will happen to all the people who are being born or are to be born =- at Christ'a coming..?
Or indeed all the countless babies who have died in infancy, aborted fetuses, miscarriages or all the people in general who never knew or had even a chance to know Jesus.
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Re: Especially those who believe
« Reply #11 on: February 06, 2021, 11:28:30 PM »
That all depends on their meeting with God and what they decide [God canot force them, but can seem too ]

God knowing all things being the "omniscient"  would know their reaction - but also how they would have turned out to be and their hearts.. and all their future plans [just as if it never happened] or  ?Just as if I Never Sinned??    Justification..

So now we are going from past to future - with a God that knows all things / frpom the Alpha to the Omega..

Question is - "could the whiole rebellion in heaven happen again?

Well the universal reconciliation belief - could certainly sort out that argument...[but would it sort out all those who rebel due to being  saved and so [the whole picture could go around again with another earth etc.. you would have rebellion in heaven [new earth]

But what can God do in His limitations ?..

He can only act in His Character eg: God cannot force an unborn or any person to go agianst their will]



Can you imagine if heaven /the new earth we have dictatorship ?

You have to have a relationship [that ATM we do not understnad or have] to realize that you would just want to anything to be with God - an all consuming love .


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Re: Especially those who believe
« Reply #12 on: February 07, 2021, 12:33:47 AM »
That all depends on their meeting with God and what they decide [God canot force them, but can seem too ]

God knowing all things being the "omniscient"  would know their reaction - but also how they would have turned out to be and their hearts.. and all their future plans [just as if it never happened] or  ?Just as if I Never Sinned??    Justification..

So now we are going from past to future - with a God that knows all things / frpom the Alpha to the Omega..

Question is - "could the whiole rebellion in heaven happen again?

Well the universal reconciliation belief - could certainly sort out that argument...[but would it sort out all those who rebel due to being  saved and so [the whole picture could go around again with another earth etc.. you would have rebellion in heaven [new earth]

But what can God do in His limitations ?..

He can only act in His Character eg: God cannot force an unborn or any person to go agianst their will]


Being in the image of God surely must mean we know good and evil, are free to do either but strong enough only to choose good and resist evil
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Re: Especially those who believe
« Reply #13 on: February 07, 2021, 07:30:53 AM »
Do you mean they are destroyed in hell, i.e. completely annihilated?
Jesus says "weeping and gnashing of teeth."

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Re: Especially those who believe
« Reply #14 on: February 07, 2021, 11:01:20 AM »
Jesus says "weeping and gnashing of teeth."
Yes, He does. So what is destroyed and how long for?
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Re: Especially those who believe
« Reply #15 on: February 07, 2021, 11:57:16 AM »
Yes, He does. So what is destroyed and how long for?
"body and soul" Matt 10:28. There would seem to be two outcomes depending on how you understand the gehenna concept. (a) it is of itself permanent, (b) it is semi-permanent until the day of judgement, upon which it is replaced by the lake of fire and total annihilation prepared for the devil and his angels.

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