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Re: Especially those who believe
« Reply #56 on: February 13, 2021, 12:24:27 PM »

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WHY I ACCEPT UNIVERSAL SALVATION
Matthew 19:26 But Jesus looked at them and said, "With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible."
Not quite. The laws of mathematics cannot be controverted. Lies cannot become truth. False doctrine cannot be turned into true doctrine. Sin cannot be rendered as holiness.

Psalm 22:27-28
All the ends of the earth shall remember
    and turn to the Lord,
and all the families of the nations
    shall worship before you.
For kingship belongs to the Lord,
    and he rules over the nations.
It will happen on the day of judgement but some will only do it to their own damnation.

John 1:29 The next day he saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, "Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!"
Sure, but it is the duty of man to become holy in response. Woe betide you if you don't.

1 Timothy 4:10 For to this end we toil and strive, because we have our hope set on the living God, who is the Savior of all people, especially of those who believe.
As above

John 6:37 All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out.
As I said before, the only people going to hell are those who walk into it.

John 12:32 And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself.?
John 12:47 If anyone hears my words and does not keep them, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge the world but to save the world.
John 17:2 since you have given him authority over all flesh, to give eternal life to all whom you have given him.
God judges all those on the outside of the church

Acts 3:20-21 that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord, and that he may send the Christ appointed for you, Jesus, whom heaven must receive until the time for restoring all the things about which God spoke by the mouth of his holy prophets long ago.
"Restoring all" is compatible with Mat 13:41 "The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil."

Romans 3:3-4 What if some were unfaithful? Does their faithlessness nullify the faithfulness of God? By no means! Let God be true though every one were a liar, as it is written,
?That you may be justified in your words, and prevail when you are judged.?
Not to point

1 Corinthians 15:22-28 For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive. But each in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, then at his coming those who belong to Christ. Then comes the end, when he delivers the kingdom to God the Father after destroying every rule and every authority and power. For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. The last enemy to be destroyed is death. For ?God has put all things in subjection under his feet.? But when it says, ?all things are put in subjection,? it is plain that he is excepted who put all things in subjection under him. When all things are subjected to him, then the Son himself will also be subjected to him who put all things in subjection under him, that God may be all in all.
Note what I have underlined. Everyone else is accounted God's enemy.

2 Corinthians 5:15 and he died for all, that those who live might no longer live for themselves but for him who for their sake died and was raised.
2 Corinthians 5:19 that is, in Christ God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation.
Again you're confusing universal reconciliation with universal salvation

Ephesians 1:11 In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will,
"We" refers only to Christians.

Ephesians 4:10 He who descended is the one who also ascended far above all the heavens, that he might fill all things.)
All things allows for temporal exceptions, which will eventually be destroyed, thus enabling all things to be filled in the end.

Philippians 2:9-11 Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name, So that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
As will happen on the day of judgement. Doesn't infer universal salvation.

Colossians 1:19-20 For in him all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell, and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether on earth or in heaven, making peace by the blood of his cross.
As will only happen at the very end, where the enemies of Christ are destroyed. If "the last enemy" to be destroyed is death," 1 Corinthians 15:26 then what were the other enemies destroyed?

Romans provides the answer: Mat 25:46 "ever lasting punishment" [of men].  Go figure that one.

1 Timothy 2:4-6 who desires all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, who gave himself as a ransom for all, which is the testimony given at the proper time.
1 Timothy 4:10 For to this end we toil and strive, because we have our hope set on the living God, who is the Savior of all people, especially of those who believe.
Titus 2:11-12 For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation for all people, training us to renounce ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright, and godly lives in the present age,
Hebrews 2:9 But we see him who for a little while was made lower than the angels, namely Jesus, crowned with glory and honor because of the suffering of death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone.
1 John 2:2, 3:8, 4:14 He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world.
Whoever makes a practice of sinning is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the works of the devil.
And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world.
Revelation 5:13, 21:4-5 And I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and in the sea, and all that is in them, saying, "To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be blessing and honour and glory and might forever and ever!"
He will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death shall be no more, neither shall there be mourning, nor crying, nor pain anymore, for the former things have passed away.? And he who was seated on the throne said, "Behold, I am making all things new." Also he said, "Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true."
Matthew 19
Now when Jesus had finished these sayings, he went away from Galilee and entered the region of Judea beyond the Jordan. And large crowds followed him, and he healed them there.
And Pharisees came up to him and tested him by asking, "Is it lawful to divorce one's wife for any cause?" He answered, "Have you not read that he who created them from the beginning made them male and female, and said, 'Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh'" So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate.? They said to him, "Why then did Moses command one to give a certificate of divorce and to send her away?" He said to them, "Because of your hardness of heart Moses allowed you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so. And I say to you: whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery."
The disciples said to him, "If such is the case of a man with his wife, it is better not to marry."  But he said to them, "Not everyone can receive this saying, but only those to whom it is given. For there are eunuchs who have been so from birth, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by men, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Let the one who is able to receive this receive it."
Then children were brought to him that he might lay his hands on them and pray. The disciples rebuked the people, but Jesus said, "Let the little children come to me and do not hinder them, for to such belongs the kingdom of heaven." And he laid his hands on them and went away.
And behold, a man came up to him, saying, ?Teacher, what good deed must I do to have eternal life?? And he said to him, ?Why do you ask me about what is good? There is only one who is good. If you would enter life, keep the commandments.? He said to him, ?Which ones?? And Jesus said, ?You shall not murder, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness, Honor your father and mother, and, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.? The young man said to him, ?All these I have kept. What do I still lack?? Jesus said to him, ?If you would be perfect, go, sell what you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.? When the young man heard this he went away sorrowful, for he had great possessions.
And Jesus said to his disciples, ?Truly, I say to you, only with difficulty will a rich person enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the kingdom of God.? When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished, saying, ?Who then can be saved?? But Jesus looked at them and said, ?With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.? Then Peter said in reply, ?See, we have left everything and followed you. What then will we have?? Jesus said to them, ?Truly, I say to you, in the new world, when the Son of Man will sit on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or children or lands, for my name's sake, will receive a hundredfold and will inherit eternal life. But many who are first will be last, and the last first.

Isaiah 54
?Sing, O barren one, who did not bear;
    break forth into singing and cry aloud,
    you who have not been in labor!
For the children of the desolate one will be more
    than the children of her who is married,? says the Lord.
?Enlarge the place of your tent,
    and let the curtains of your habitations be stretched out;
do not hold back; lengthen your cords
    and strengthen your stakes.
For you will spread abroad to the right and to the left,
    and your offspring will possess the nations
    and will people the desolate cities.
?Fear not, for you will not be ashamed;
    be not confounded, for you will not be disgraced;
for you will forget the shame of your youth,
    and the reproach of your widowhood you will remember no more.
For your Maker is your husband,
    the Lord of hosts is his name;
and the Holy One of Israel is your Redeemer,
    the God of the whole earth he is called.
For the Lord has called you
    like a wife deserted and grieved in spirit,
like a wife of youth when she is cast off,
    says your God
For a brief moment I deserted you,
    but with great compassion I will gather you.
In overflowing anger for a moment
    I hid my face from you,
but with everlasting love I will have compassion on you,?
    says the Lord, your Redeemer.
?This is like the days of Noah to me:
    as I swore that the waters of Noah
    should no more go over the earth,
so I have sworn that I will not be angry with you,
    and will not rebuke you.
For the mountains may depart
    and the hills be removed,
but my steadfast love shall not depart from you,
    and my covenant of peace shall not be removed,?
    says the Lord, who has compassion on you.
?O afflicted one, storm-tossed and not comforted,
    behold, I will set your stones in antimony,
    and lay your foundations with sapphires.
I will make your pinnacles of agate,
    your gates of carbuncles,
    and all your wall of precious stones.
All your children shall be taught by the Lord,
    and great shall be the peace of your children.
In righteousness you shall be established;
    you shall be far from oppression, for you shall not fear;
    and from terror, for it shall not come near you.
If anyone stirs up strife,
    it is not from me;
whoever stirs up strife with you
    shall fall because of you.
Behold, I have created the smith
    who blows the fire of coals
    and produces a weapon for its purpose.
I have also created the ravager to destroy;
    no weapon that is fashioned against you shall succeed,
    and you shall refute every tongue that rises against you in judgment.
This is the heritage of the servants of the Lord
    and their vindication from me, declares the Lord.?
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Re: Especially those who believe
« Reply #57 on: February 13, 2021, 01:24:09 PM »
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Again you're confusing universal reconciliation with universal salvation
Please explain the difference
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Re: Especially those who believe
« Reply #58 on: February 13, 2021, 03:26:01 PM »
Please explain the difference
Universal reconciliation is where God's extends his offer of reconciliation through Jesus to the whole of mankind.

Universal salvation is to make out that it is irrelevant, in the end, whether someone accepts it, or rejects it. The bible doesn't teach it. It teaches that rejection of the offer is condemnable of itself.

Salvation is to make a positive and acceptable response to the offer.

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Re: Especially those who believe
« Reply #59 on: February 13, 2021, 03:48:39 PM »
Universal reconciliation is where God's extends his offer of reconciliation through Jesus to the whole of mankind.

Universal salvation is to make out that it is irrelevant, in the end, whether someone accepts it, or rejects it. The bible doesn't teach it. It teaches that rejection of the offer is condemnable of itself.

Salvation is to make a positive and acceptable response to the offer.
So the offer is universal but the reconciliation is not?
Where does the bible teach that accepting and making a positive response to an offer is required?
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Re: Especially those who believe
« Reply #60 on: February 13, 2021, 03:54:49 PM »
So the offer is universal but the reconciliation is not?
No. The offer is of salvation, and the reconciliation, are both universal. However the acceptance of the offer of salvation isn't; and if unaccepted, the reconciliation will prove to be of no value.

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Re: Especially those who believe
« Reply #61 on: February 13, 2021, 04:03:47 PM »
No. The offer is of salvation, and the reconciliation, are both universal. However the acceptance of the offer of salvation isn't; and if unaccepted, the reconciliation will prove to be of no value.
That is called salvation by works. You are preaching heresy.
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Re: Especially those who believe
« Reply #62 on: February 13, 2021, 05:06:13 PM »
That is called salvation by works. You are preaching heresy.
No it's not, because I didn't deny that salvation was by faith. Eph 2:10 "For we are God's handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do." It's you who are denying the need of the saved to obey Christ.

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Re: Especially those who believe
« Reply #63 on: February 13, 2021, 05:20:16 PM »
I've wasted enough time on you. I pray that you will come to your senses in this life rather than the next. Warm regards, peace and blessings in Christ.
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