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Luke 16:22, 23).  Is part of a parable and should be viewed as such
Doesn't mean to say that it's not true as far as its ancilliary denotations of truth.

     Heb 3:10-11 "That is why I was angry with that generation; I said, ?Their hearts are always going astray, and they have not known my ways.? So I declared on oath in my anger, ?They shall never enter my rest.? ?

Heb 3:18 "And to whom did God swear that they would never enter his rest if not to those who disobeyed             


It was to Israel that he swore they would not enter his rest be cause of disobedience but then we are told
No. it was specifically to those rebellious Israelites whom fell in the desert, not the whole nation of Israel.

    So then, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God, for whoever has entered God?s rest has also rested from his works as God did from his.  Let us therefore strive to enter that rest, so that no one may fall by the same sort of disobedience.
Hebrews 4:9-‬11 ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/heb.4.9-11.ESV         


So Gods sabbath rest is open to us to enter in and to those who come after so it is a future event and it means that creation is on going because Gods sabbath rest is the last day of creation.
It's not a future event. It's a promise in this life. The promise was made to the Israelites: the promised land. They didn't enter it.

There is no relativity about it the devil will be bound for 1000 years and the gospel will be preached to every corner of the earth to all peoples and there will be nothing or nobody to stop it so everyone will have the knowledge of good and evil and will have to make a choice when satan is released for a short time.
Pretty much as has happened in other words.

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Hi Eik
Thank you for your reply you said

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    Not the same as any other human. His mother was fertilized with the Holy Spirit     

Yes she was but he was born an ordinary man of flesh and blood.

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   I would say that he was a spiritual man on earth, i.e. a man possessed by the fulness of God's spirit without measure: John 3:34         

He was an ordenary man here on earth and the Father worked through him via the Holy Spirit.

     Joh 5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise. View more

Joh 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me         


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      When he arose and ascended into heaven he returned to his "former place." John 6:62 i.e. God (John 1:1).   

Agreed

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   He was no different upon first arising from the dead than he was before       

Sorry eik but that contradicts scripture.

   1Co 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. View more

1Co 15:46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual         


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    Israel the nation is not Christ. The two are different     

I have never ever said he was what I have said is Israel is the first Adam of this creation which began with Noah as stated in scripture.

        When Israel was a child, I loved him, and out of Egypt I called my son.
Hosea 11:1 ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/hos.11.1.ESV

   and remained there until the death of Herod. This was to fulfill what the Lord had spoken by the prophet, ?Out of Egypt I called my son.?
Matthew 2:15 ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/mat.2.15.ESV   


So both Israel and Christ are God's sons

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      Not "clear" at all. Christ rules by his servants, in any event rather than in person. So no reason why he wouldn't rule from heaven. You don't really have a good grasp of how God does reign. Ps 104:4 "He makes winds his messengers, flames of fire his servants     

God has ruled from heaven through Christ  from the beginning of creation until the present day thats not in question but in the last day he will come down to claim his bride the church  and they shall rule from the new Jerusalem here on earth for 1000 years.

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        That's your interpretation. The uniting of Christ with his church is not "on earth." Philippians 1:23-24: Paul indicates that to be with Christ is to "depart" and not remain in the flesh     

To depart is to die which is equated with sleep we may sleep for hundreds  of years waiting to be awakened in the resurrection we will have no memory of anything that happens during the time we are asleep.


        Then I heard what seemed to be the voice of a great multitude, like the roar of many waters and like the sound of mighty peals of thunder, crying out, ?Hallelujah! For the Lord our God the Almighty reigns.  Let us rejoice and exult and give him the glory, for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and his Bride has made herself ready;   it was granted her to clothe herself with fine linen, bright and pure?? for the fine linen is the righteous deeds of the saints.
Revelation 19:6-‬8 ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/rev.19.6-8.ESV   

         For this we declare to you by a word from the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord. Therefore encourage one another with these words.
1 Thessalonians 4:15-‬18 ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/1th.4.15-18.ESV             


If we read the above carefully we will see that when we die we remain in the grave until the resurrection and those who are alive will be changed and all will meat the Lord in the air and this is the marriage  of the Lamb and his bride the church and this forms the new Jerusalem which comes down from heaven and will rule for 1000 years.


As for Gods sabbath rest it is the millennium reign of Christ he will be in charge of finishing the creation that began with Noah then Christ will hand everything back to the Father who will begin work again with the creation of a new heaven and earth.

Love and Peace
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Hi Eik
Thank you for your reply you said

Yes she was but he was born an ordinary man of flesh and blood.

He was an ordenary man here on earth and the Father worked through him via the Holy Spirit.

     Joh 5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise. View more

Joh 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me         


Agreed

Sorry eik but that contradicts scripture.

   1Co 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. View more

1Co 15:46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual         


Dave, you're making a mountain out of a molehill. I was merely referring to when Jesus came out of his grave, before he ascended into heaven.

Jhn 20:27 "Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing."

When he ascended into heaven he ceased being a man (Adamic), because he became like how he had been before (i.e. the Word of God).

Hos 9:7, Gal 6:1: the term "spiritual man" that you have used refers  in the bible to an Adamic man, not the risen Jesus Christ. To denote the latter by "spiritual man" finds no support.

There is nowhere in scripture when the risen (ascended) son of God is denoted as a "man" except in visions, where he is an extraordinary man (Rev 1) not in any sense resembling a natural man.

The body is raised "a spiritual body" 1 Cor 15:44. The Greek word for "body" is "used in a very wide application, literally or figuratively." (Strongs definitions). It does not therefore infer that one possessed with a spiritual body is like unto a natural man.


I have never ever said he was what I have said is Israel is the first Adam of this creation which began with Noah as stated in scripture.

        When Israel was a child, I loved him, and out of Egypt I called my son.
Hosea 11:1 ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/hos.11.1.ESV

   and remained there until the death of Herod. This was to fulfill what the Lord had spoken by the prophet, ?Out of Egypt I called my son.?
Matthew 2:15 ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/mat.2.15.ESV   


So both Israel and Christ are God's sons
One is adopted, one is begotten (Rom 9:4 ".....the people of Israel. Theirs is the adoption to sonship; theirs the divine glory, the covenants, the receiving of the law, the temple worship and the promises.")

One is of the earth, one is from above. Do you accept this?

God has ruled from heaven through Christ  from the beginning of creation until the present day thats not in question but in the last day he will come down to claim his bride the church  and they shall rule from the new Jerusalem here on earth for 1000 years.
That is dogmatizing what is not written in the bible because "Jerusalem" under the new covenant  only ever has a spritual meaning inferring the "New Jerusalem" which even now is in heaven.

The dead saints are destined for the New Jerusalem, not the earthly one. The attempt to regress the New Jerusalem back into the old unspiritual Jerusalem discovers everything that is wrong with premillennial theology.

To depart is to die which is equated with sleep we may sleep for hundreds  of years waiting to be awakened in the resurrection we will have no memory of anything that happens during the time we are asleep.
We aren't told of what happens when we are asleep.

        Then I heard what seemed to be the voice of a great multitude, like the roar of many waters and like the sound of mighty peals of thunder, crying out, ?Hallelujah! For the Lord our God the Almighty reigns.  Let us rejoice and exult and give him the glory, for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and his Bride has made herself ready;   it was granted her to clothe herself with fine linen, bright and pure?? for the fine linen is the righteous deeds of the saints.
Revelation 19:6-‬8 ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/rev.19.6-8.ESV   

         For this we declare to you by a word from the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord. Therefore encourage one another with these words.
1 Thessalonians 4:15-‬18 ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/1th.4.15-18.ESV             


If we read the above carefully we will see that when we die we remain in the grave until the resurrection and those who are alive will be changed and all will meat the Lord in the air and this is the marriage  of the Lamb and his bride the church and this forms the new Jerusalem which comes down from heaven and will rule for 1000 years.
No, the New Jerusalem comes down from heaven after the dead are judged. Rev 20:7-15 followed immediately by Rev 21:1-3 (descent of the New Jerusalem)



As for Gods sabbath rest it is the millennium reign of Christ he will be in charge of finishing the creation that began with Noah then Christ will hand everything back to the Father who will begin work again with the creation of a new heaven and earth.
Nowhere is this found in the bible, except that I concede Christ reigns now. It is complete fancy, a projection of your own or far more likely some darbyite or other premillennial theologian, into what isn't in the bible.

https://bible.com/bible/59/hos.11.1.ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/mat.2.15.ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/rev.19.6-8.ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/1th.4.15-18.ESV

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Hi eik
Thank you for your reply as for Christ being man and spirit its quite simple when he was born of the virgin Mary he was an ordenary man of flesh and blood and his Father was God.
When he died he died to the flesh and was reborn in the spirit when he appeared after his resurrection he was a spiritual being who appeared to the two decipels on the road to Emma's  then disappeared men of flesh and blood do not disappear.

  Jhn 20:27 "Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing       

He appeared to Thomas as his crucified Lord but he was still a spiritual being and there has been a few spiritual beings angels who have appeared as men throughout scripture nothing unusual in that.

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         One is adopted, one is begotten (Rom 9:4 ".....the people of Israel. Theirs is the adoption to sonship; theirs the divine glory, the covenants, the receiving of the law, the temple worship and the promises.")

One is of the earth, one is from above. Do you accept this?   

I find nothing in scripture to say Israel was adopted Israel was created in the image of God beginning with Abraham and finished when Israel came out of Egypt.
Israel is the first Adam Christ is the last Adam all pretty simple

Israel is the man of the earth the man of flesh Christ is the man fro heaven the spiritual man the man of flesh has to die to be reborn as a spiritual man.

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    That is dogmatizing what is not written in the bible because "Jerusalem" under the new covenant  only ever has a spritual meaning inferring the "New Jerusalem" which even now is in heaven.

The dead saints are destined for the New Jerusalem, not the earthly one. The attempt to regress the New Jerusalem back into the old unspiritual Jerusalem discovers everything that is wrong with premillennial theology         

There are two Jerusalems the earthly and the new Jerusalem the new Jerusalem is a spiritual building and is built up of spiritual beings the head is Christ and the body is the church St Paul give us a good description of what will happen.

    For this we declare to you by a word from the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord. Therefore encourage one another with these words.
1 Thessalonians 4:15-‬18 ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/1th.4.15-18.ESV       


This is the creation of the new Jerusalem which will come down to earth to rule with Christ for a 1000 years.
Christ cannot remain in heaven he cannot be separated from his wife the church they are one.

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   No, the New Jerusalem comes down from heaven after the dead are judged. Rev 20:7-15 followed immediately by Rev 21:1-3 (descent of the New Jerusalem           

The new Jerusalem comes down  to begin the millenium Rev 20:7-15 is speaking of the defeat of Satan and all those who are his.
Rev 21:1-3 is speaking of the new heaven and earth which God will create and the new Jerusalem will be part of that creation.

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   Nowhere is this found in the bible, except that I concede Christ reigns now. It is complete fancy, a projection of your own or far more likely some darbyite or other premillennial theologian, into what isn't in the bible             

Gods sabbath rest is the 7th day of creation and we are told God rested but nowhere in the scriptures are we told that God began to work again until we are told at the end of scripture that he would create a new heaven and earth so the only logical answer is he has been working all the time and his Sabbath rest is a future event.
Is there any time in the history of mankind as we know it that God would be satisfied with the creation.

A question what do you think Gods sabbath rest is

Love and Peace
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Hi eik
Thank you for your reply as for Christ being man and spirit its quite simple when he was born of the virgin Mary he was an ordenary man of flesh and blood and his Father was God.
When he died he died to the flesh and was reborn in the spirit when he appeared after his resurrection he was a spiritual being who appeared to the two decipels on the road to Emma's  then disappeared men of flesh and blood do not disappear.

  Jhn 20:27 "Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing       

He appeared to Thomas as his crucified Lord but he was still a spiritual being and there has been a few spiritual beings angels who have appeared as men throughout scripture nothing unusual in that.
Dave I don't disagree that all men are intended to be spiritual men from birth. That they are not is because of sin.

Christ remained a man in the flesh after resurrection, but was somehow imbued with super-human powers, until his ascension into heaven. As he said:

Jhn 20:17 "Jesus said, ?Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ?I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.' ?

Your "spiritual man" terminology is confusing. He was not a "ghost" disappearing and appearing at will.

I agree he appeared to have similar powers to an angel, but yet he wasn't ever an angel. He didn't flit between heaven and earth as angels do, from the passage I have just quoted above. To say that he became like unto an angel would be very, very wrong. Very JW.

We don't know where he disappeared to, but clearly he had full power over nature itself to make it do whatever he wanted, as he had in this life, where even the winds obeyed him. He remained a spiritual "man" which is to say an ordinary man possessed with full power over the natural world and over his own body until his ascension into heaven itself, which was irreversible until he comes again.


I find nothing in scripture to say Israel was adopted Israel was created in the image of God beginning with Abraham and finished when Israel came out of Egypt.
Israel is the first Adam Christ is the last Adam all pretty simple
You're denying the apostolic teaching then. Israel was adopted son of God, and into the vine that is Israel are all believers are grafted (Rom 11:19-20). Believers are never referred to being anything more than adopted sons of God, and are clearly not inferior to Israel (Mat 11:11).


Israel is the man of the earth the man of flesh Christ is the man fro heaven the spiritual man the man of flesh has to die to be reborn as a spiritual man.
I concur. Yet not all men of Israel were just "of the flesh." For Christ admitted his mission was to call the "lost sheep." There were righteous in Israel. Christ admitted no doctrine of "orginal sin" disallowing even those under the law to be called "righteous."


There are two Jerusalems the earthly and the new Jerusalem the new Jerusalem is a spiritual building and is built up of spiritual beings the head is Christ and the body is the church St Paul give us a good description of what will happen.
Not quite. The body is the city of the saints, not just those alive today, but all those whom have ever been. It is located firmly in heaven, not on earth, as it comes down out of heaven.

    For this we declare to you by a word from the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord. Therefore encourage one another with these words.
1 Thessalonians 4:15-‬18 ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/1th.4.15-18.ESV       


This is the creation of the new Jerusalem which will come down to earth to rule with Christ for a 1000 years.
No it won't. You're not addressing the points I have made. It comes down to earth after the judgement, not before the millennium, see Revelation. You're mixing up the order of the passages in Revelation to create a new theology. And it comes down to a new earth, not an old earth.

Christ cannot remain in heaven he cannot be separated from his wife the church they are one.
That is a non-sequitur. Mat 28:20

The new Jerusalem comes down  to begin the millenium Rev 20:7-15 is speaking of the defeat of Satan and all those who are his.
No mention of new Jerusalem here.

Rev 21:1-3 is speaking of the new heaven and earth which God will create and the new Jerusalem will be part of that creation.

It is says Rev 21:2 "I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God,"

What could be clearer?

Gods sabbath rest is the 7th day of creation and we are told God rested but nowhere in the scriptures are we told that God began to work again until we are told at the end of scripture that he would create a new heaven and earth so the only logical answer is he has been working all the time and his Sabbath rest is a future event.
God's work in Gen 1 refers to this physical creation. It doesn't refer to whatever else he may be doing in heaven. Jesus admitted that God continued to work, and so we must take this to mean in the spiritual sphere, not in the creation sense of the physical world. And the New Jerusalem is already created.

Again you're mixing up what happens in earth and in heaven.


Is there any time in the history of mankind as we know it that God would be satisfied with the creation.
When he'd made man

A question what do you think Gods sabbath rest is
Spiritual peace with God or the attainment of God's promises, in so far as they can be fulfilled in this life.

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Hi eik
Thank you for your reply you said

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    Christ remained a man in the flesh after resurrection, but was somehow imbued with super-human powers, until his ascension into heaven. As he said     

No he did not and there is absolutly nothing in scripture to support what you say   Jhn 20:17 " is only saying that he could not remain here on earth but must ascend to the Father

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      Your "spiritual man" terminology is confusing. He was not a "ghost" disappearing and appearing at will   

I have never said he was a ghost please don't put words in my mouth.

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    I agree he appeared to have similar powers to an angel, but yet he wasn't ever an angel. He didn't flit between heaven and earth as angels do, from the passage I have just quoted above. To say that he became like unto an angel would be very, very wrong. Very JW           

Again I have never said he was an angel the point I was making was angels could appear as human on earth and Christ who is greater than the angels could do the same.

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      We don't know where he disappeared to, but clearly he had full power over nature itself to make it do whatever he wanted, as he had in this life, where even the winds obeyed him. He remained a spiritual "man" which is to say an ordinary man possessed with full power over the natural world and over his own body until his ascension into heaven itself, which was irreversible until he comes again       

When our Lord was in the flesh it was the Father working through him

         Joh 5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise     

He could not remain an ordenary man and a spiritual man both at the same time the man of flesh comes first then the man of spirit.

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  You're denying the apostolic teaching then. Israel was adopted son of God, and into the vine that is Israel are all believers are grafted (Rom 11:19-20). Believers are never referred to being anything more than adopted sons of God, and are clearly not inferior to Israel (Mat 11:11)
         

Adopted or not Israel is Gods son and so is Christ.

    When Israel was a child, I loved him, and out of Egypt I called my son.
Hosea 11:1 ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/hos.11.1.ESV         


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       For this we declare to you by a word from the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord. Therefore encourage one another with these words.
1 Thessalonians 4:15-‬18 ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/1th.4.15-18.ESV       

This is the creation of the new Jerusalem which will come down to earth to rule with Christ for a 1000 years.


No it won't. You're not addressing the points I have made. It comes down to earth after the judgement, not before the millennium, see Revelation. You're mixing up the order of the passages in Revelation to create a new theology. And it comes down to a new earth, not an old earth           

Sorry eik but the new Jerusalem  comes down to judge the world when the new Jerusalem comes down with Christ at its head it is the beginning of the millenium at the end of the millenium it will enter the new heaven and earth that the Father will creat at that time.

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         That is a non-sequitur. Mat 28:20   

  And Jesus came and said to them, ?All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.  Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,  teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.?
Matthew 28:18-‬20 ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/mat.28.18-20.ESV           


This is Christ  sending out his Apostles to preach the gospel and he would be with them via the Holy Spirit

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   The new Jerusalem comes down  to begin the millenium Rev 20:7-15 is speaking of the defeat of Satan and all those who are his.


No mention of new Jerusalem here.       

Rev 20:7-15 is speaking of the end of the millenium the defeat of Satan.

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    It is says Rev 21:2 "I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God,"

What could be clearer       

   Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and the sea was no more. And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, ?Behold, the dwelling place of God is with man. He will dwell with them, and they will be his people, and God himself will be with them as their God.
Revelation 21:1-‬3 ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/rev.21.1-3.ESV       [/color

This passage is speaking of the new heaven and earth that God will create after the millenium and the new Jerusalem will be part of that creation.

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    God's work in Gen 1 refers to this physical creation. It doesn't refer to whatever else he may be doing in heaven. Jesus admitted that God continued to work, and so we must take this to mean in the spiritual sphere, not in the creation sense of the physical world. And the New Jerusalem is already created.

Again you're mixing up what happens in earth and in heaven   

If God is working in the spiritual or the physical is irrelevant he is working and this means he is not resting we know he was working before the flood and after the flood and up to the present time no mention of any rest.

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     Is there any time in the history of mankind as we know it that God would be satisfied with the creation.

When he'd made man       

Which man do you mean the first man he he destroyed before the flood the second man Israel died in 70AD the last man Christ has yet to be completed man in the image of God is man and woman joined as one.

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     A question what do you think Gods sabbath rest is


Spiritual peace with God or the attainment of God's promises, in so far as they can be fulfilled in this life     

God rested on the 7th day how long was the day I say it will be 1000 years the length of Christ's millennial reign.

Love and Peace
Dave



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What happened to Jesus physical body at the tomb as it was found empty after burial?
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No he did not and there is absolutly nothing in scripture to support what you say   Jhn 20:17 " is only saying that he could not remain here on earth but must ascend to the Father
Dave, ascension, in Christian belief is the ascent of Jesus Christ into heaven on the 40th day after his resurrection. That is a universal church doctrine. If you don't hold to this, what denomination do you belong to? Nothing orthodox for sure. Why are you contradicting regular doctrine? He was not an angel, or anything else but a man, until his formal ascension. Yet a man whom God had raised from the dead, so that everything became under his control. The angels of heaven were at his disposal to fulfil his every desire. They could have hidden him and done everything he wanted.

I have never said he was a ghost please don't put words in my mouth.
You didn't say it but you allege he acted like one, by disappearing and therefore was somehow not always of the flesh during his 40 days.

Again I have never said he was an angel the point I was making was angels could appear as human on earth and Christ who is greater than the angels could do the same.

When our Lord was in the flesh it was the Father working through him

         Joh 5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise     

He could not remain an ordenary man and a spiritual man both at the same time the man of flesh comes first then the man of spirit.
Yes he could because an ordinary man is a spiritual man, because both are men. I have made this clear. You are inventing a different kind of man post resurrection that is not orthodox Christian doctrine. Nowhere does the bible ever allude to such a thing.

Adopted or not Israel is Gods son and so is Christ.

    When Israel was a child, I loved him, and out of Egypt I called my son.
Hosea 11:1 ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/hos.11.1.ESV         


Sorry eik but the new Jerusalem  comes down to judge the world when the new Jerusalem comes down with Christ at its head it is the beginning of the millenium at the end of the millenium it will enter the new heaven and earth that the Father will creat at that time.
It doesn't say so in the bible. Show me where?

  And Jesus came and said to them, ?All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.  Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,  teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.?
Matthew 28:18-‬20 ESV
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This is Christ  sending out his Apostles to preach the gospel and he would be with them via the Holy Spirit

Rev 20:7-15 is speaking of the end of the millenium the defeat of Satan.

   Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and the sea was no more. And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, ?Behold, the dwelling place of God is with man. He will dwell with them, and they will be his people, and God himself will be with them as their God.
Revelation 21:1-‬3 ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/rev.21.1-3.ESV       [/color

This passage is speaking of the new heaven and earth that God will create after the millenium and the new Jerusalem will be part of that creation.
Exactly, so where is the New Jerusalem before and during the millennium, per the bible? It's in heaven Heb 12:22, Gal 4:26.


If God is working in the spiritual or the physical is irrelevant he is working and this means he is not resting we know he was working before the flood and after the flood and up to the present time no mention of any rest.
Do you really think God needs to rest?

God's rest is a time of repose for creation. It means that creation is at rest, i.e. not in turmoil and being created. God's rest is metaphor for being spiritually at rest.

Which man do you mean the first man he he destroyed before the flood the second man Israel died in 70AD the last man Christ has yet to be completed man in the image of God is man and woman joined as one.

God rested on the 7th day how long was the day I say it will be 1000 years the length of Christ's millennial reign.
How long was the day is not a relevant question, because "day" just means a period of God's work or rest. It isn't intended to be biblically translatable into human days.

Which man? I mean Adam, or course. The resurrected Christ and his bride are not "men." As Christ said his church will be like "the angels in heaven." An angel is not a man but a different sort of being with a "spiritual body." Do you believe what Christ said?


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