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Re: The Love Of Money Is Idol Worshipping
« Reply #24 on: January 18, 2021, 10:18:37 PM »

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Please show me which Apostles or disciples did not give up all.

You are afraid of giving up all your money because you lack faith that God will provide and so you are despising the words of Jesus. They offend you.

Matthew 6:24 - ?No one can serve two masters. For you will hate one and love the other; you will be devoted to one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and be enslaved to money.

You are devoted to your money and so you are despising the words of Jesus. God is still God in today's modern society and you lack faith thinking that God cannot provide in this age.

Your teaching is blasphemy due to its compromised outlook and unrepentance caused by a lack of faith.

We are all given a measure of faith, and it is evident that you have placed yours in money.

Luke 22 is stating nothing about houses or property. Now I don't know how many times I have to say it but God will provide! You are straight away assuming that if you give up all your possessions, God will not provide and leave you destitute. Again, lacking faith!

Luke 16:9 - Here?s the lesson: Use your worldly resources to benefit others and make friends. Then, when your possessions are gone, they will welcome you to an eternal home.

Luke 16:11 - And if you are untrustworthy about worldly wealth, who will trust you with the true riches of heaven?

The only heresy spoken here is by you.

You speak out of a complete lack of faith and then turn around and revile me for speaking the truth. I am not an ear tickler and that's why you don't like what I have to say.

2 Timothy 4:3 - For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.

Isaiah 30:10 - They say to the seers, "See no more visions!" and to the prophets, "Give us no more visions of what is right! Tell us pleasant things, prophesy illusions.

1 Timothy 1:10 - for the sexually immoral, for those practicing homosexuality, for slave traders and liars and perjurers--and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine

Jude 1:18 - They said to you, "In the last times there will be scoffers who will follow their own ungodly desires."

1 Timothy 4:1-2 - But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons, 2by means of the hypocrisy of liars seared in their own conscience as with a branding iron

Jeremiah 23:26 - How long will this continue in the hearts of these lying prophets, who prophesy the delusions of their own minds?

Ephesians 4:19 - Having lost all sensitivity, they have given themselves over to sensuality so as to indulge in every kind of impurity, and they are full of greed.

And I would appreciate you not saying that I am forcing or commanding others and telling them what to do. I am only repeating Jesus' words. If you don't agree, well we all have volition and everyone has their own choice. I am just a man in the wilderness crying out "repent - make a straight path for the Lord!'.

Do what you will, Joshua 24:15 says 'But if serving the LORD seems undesirable to you, then choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve, whether the gods your ancestors served beyond the Euphrates, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you are living. But as for me and my household, we will serve the LORD."
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Re: The Love Of Money Is Idol Worshipping
« Reply #25 on: January 18, 2021, 10:54:23 PM »

I love the way the disciples put down their nets - re: Matthew 4:19 "Come, follow me," Jesus said, "and I will send you out to fish for people."     :D


This was their daily income - their livelihood's ... their families income , their childrens meals.

Yet - they put down their nets and followed Jesus.. [count the cost]

Love it,  :D

I wonder how many lives were turned upside  down as a result. 






 

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Re: The Love Of Money Is Idol Worshipping
« Reply #26 on: January 18, 2021, 11:39:46 PM »
I remember when a family gave up their home for me .

That was what led me "to give my life to Christ"

I ended up working in a place called the "Beacon" - it soon become apparent that this outreach centre [under the local bible book shop] was  struggling. [ the problem being when you mix business / with outreach]

When I began in the cleaning industry the first contract we ever got was an outreach centre [a beacon light] again they had the same problem.

Funny but our local shopping centre is now called the "Beacon".

I think the greatest "beacon" to me was that family [who gave up their own home/car/relationsghip/ even their own child]

That was what spoke to me - they were the "beacon in a dark place"




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Re: The Love Of Money Is Idol Worshipping
« Reply #27 on: January 19, 2021, 12:30:22 AM »
I love the way the disciples put down their nets - re: Matthew 4:19 "Come, follow me," Jesus said, "and I will send you out to fish for people."     :D


This was their daily income - their livelihood's ... their families income , their childrens meals.

Yet - they put down their nets and followed Jesus.. [count the cost]

Love it,  :D

I wonder how many lives were turned upside  down as a result. 
Don?t forget the Bible states that if you give up all and seek the Holy Spirit first in your life God will provide For all your needs.






 
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Re: The Love Of Money Is Idol Worshipping
« Reply #28 on: January 19, 2021, 10:05:37 PM »
The love of money is idol worshipping in its most relevant and practical form. Money can replace God. Money can mimic God and give us (false) illusions of security, safety, love and happiness. We can begin to trust in money to the point of confusing it with God and loving it more than God.

Exodus 20:23 ? Do not make any gods to be alongside me; do not make for yourselves gods of silver or gods of gold.

This commandment is telling us not to make money our Go; This is idol worshipping.

Matthew 6:24-34 ?No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money.

We make money into our God when we follow worldly principles and philosophies instead of biblical ones. Principles from the bible would actually cause us to give our money away and not to amass it. 

We make money into our God when we seek after it instead of God. We spend our time and energy seeking this money because we lack faith that God will provide for us. We diligently look to money for security and not to God.

Matthew 6 continued?.25 ?Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or drink; or about your body, what you will wear. Is not life more than food, and the body more than clothes?

In this verse, Jesus is explaining that life is about more than physical food and clothing. Our focus should be feeding on the word of God and clothing our spiritual body with righteousness (which is the words and teachings of Jesus). We should be caring about our spiritual life.

Our concern should not be on our physical lives here in the world which is short and will pass away. Why are we investing in something so temporary? If we put seeking and keeping the Holy Spirit in our lives our first and only priority, God will add all the things we need to us. He will provide for us as He promised.

#loveofmoney #havefaith #Godwillprovide #giveupall
"We make money into our God".

Why are you doing it? Just stop.

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Re: The Love Of Money Is Idol Worshipping
« Reply #29 on: January 19, 2021, 10:08:25 PM »
True, but it is also impossible to please God unless you understand the context to a message. Jesus is not here, this isn't the nation of Israel but the "last days," when antichrist has come and circa 90% of the population doesn't believe the bible is literally true. We can't afford to make ourselves dependent on others whom might impose upon our faiths some unconsionable doctrine.

For so many churches do not put up with sound doctrine.

In the USA, pastors will be sacked if they offend their congregations, who hold the keys to their purses. What is better? That you are self-sufficient and maintain your conscience, or that you become obligated to surrender your conscience to others who hold your purse strings? And so good pastors can spend their lives in penury just because they will not succumb to the liberal demands of congregations.

Paul has prophesied that many will surrender to deceiving spirits. We need to take note that forfeiting possessions necessary for living, such as secular work, such as a house to live in, has real disadvantages even for faith, where so many liberal church leaders do everything to increase their congregations at the expense of sound theology, because they espy that political correctness rather than theological correctness is the key to a good living.
It's what I conceded.
The two are not mutually exclusive.

2Th 3:8 "nor did we eat anyone's food without paying for it. On the contrary, we worked night and day, laboring and toiling so that we would not be a burden to any of you."
Coins were mostly in bronze in those days, except the higher denominations.
That is, nothing as contrasted with others. Obviously he had his personal possessions.
Yet he found places and was supported by many followers.
You may well be right.
He was talking to his personal followers. Please do not extend the context outside of Christ's ministry on earth, which was a special case. And they didn't give up their houses.
Not necessarily. Just speculation on your part.
I think you have to have a sense of reality, otherwise reality will catch up with you. Nothing comes to those who don't search for it. You can't walk around in a daze going your own way. Putting the kingdom of God first is key though.
I made no such assumption. I just said the poor includes many pagans, who are often poor through their own deliberate fault.
That presumes you can find a source of revenue. Paul "robbed" other churches. Not everyone has that luxury.
It was a debt free society, unlike ours. Obviously if someone has a large estate, they can do the same.
Of course he was referring to a literal sword. It's just that they didn't need it to defend Jesus.
Well if you're so rich that you can label others as poor, fine. It's all a question of how rich you are. If you're on the breadline, there's not much you can do. Don't forget about the hundreds of thousands shut up in horrible old peoples homes because they didn't save enough money for retirement.
I fear you are somewhat deceived. The Catholics had begging orders, when the land was overrun with beggars who never did anything useful and were often immoral. There is nothing wrong with work, and nothing wrong with using wages profitably and nothing wrong in owning your own home.

If you cannot or will not see a distinction between the period of Christ's ministry and what came after it, I think we will have to disagree. We live in pagan societies and not in the land of Israel. We live in the era of antichrist, and churches that are given over to heresy. I find it remarkable you are so willing to recommend sponging off others.

Luke 14:33 - In the same way, those of you who do not give up everything you have cannot be my disciples.
"He was talking to his personal followers"

He also said it to people who wanted to follow Him.

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Re: The Love Of Money Is Idol Worshipping
« Reply #30 on: January 20, 2021, 12:08:28 AM »
Hi again  :great:

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"We make money into our God".

Why are you doing it? Just stop.



God is self sufficient - our/money/ means nothing to God.

The love of money dethrones God from our lives.. and this is the basic message here..

LOVE OF MONEY.. a slight difference - from making a living ...



Anyway - how R U  - haven't seen you in a while..


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Re: The Love Of Money Is Idol Worshipping
« Reply #31 on: January 20, 2021, 04:53:49 AM »
Luke 14:33 - In the same way, those of you who do not give up everything you have cannot be my disciples.
"He was talking to his personal followers"

He also said it to people who wanted to follow Him.
Exactly so. He was pointing out that to follow Christ was what was necessary.

Christ never said that the mere possession of a cloak, purse, money, job or wife or anything else was a barrier to following Christ. He said it may be. That is so. Clearly it would have been especially so in the days of his life on earth, because his words were not then written in a book. If you wanted to learn from Christ you literally had to follow him in person. And so you had to give what you were doing. And the gulf between rich and poor was very great indeed.

And now, it's not so simple to just literally give up all to follow Christ, and not quite so necessary due his words being written down, unless what you're giving up is inherently sinful, which it may be, such as an inherently sinful occupation.

Moreover if you give it up in a disorderly way, you may be excommunicating yourself from the profit making section of society. 1 Cor 14:40 "But all things must be done appropriately and in an orderly manner."

If you have rent or a mortgage or Council tax to pay, you'll become destitute in less time than you expect and no-one is going to help those who "give it all up." Prov 6:11 "poverty will come upon you like a robber, and need like a bandit."


Don't discount the divorce from the wife if you fail to maintain her, which will strip you of most of your assets, especially if there are children involved. Unless you want to be some kind of permanent charity worker, fair enough. But the beliefs and values of so many charities are no longer Christian, if they ever were. The beliefs and values of so many churches are no longer Christian. Why would you entrust yourself to such people? I wouldn't. I haven't found a single church to whom I would entrust with my livelihood, where I don't agree with the doctrines of so many liberal churches.

Yet the possibility remains that Christ will call a person to do this or that for him, but it will be an orderly transition, and a called transition, which is to say, an inspired vocation. It will not be a case of instantaneously divesting yourself of everything so as to free yourself from the aspersive (i.e. defamatory) taint of "serving money" which is cast by men and not by God (unless you're like Zaccheus).

The point is that Christ's words cannot be decoupled from apostolic practice and what we do know is that it was never apostolic teaching to make every, or any, Gentile believers give up literally absolutely everything to follow a Christ now reigning in heaven.


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