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I know that it is a common misconception today, that people believe that John is talking about everyone in 1 John 1:8 when he says:

If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. - 1 John 1:8

But if you read the whole chapter it becomes evident, that he is talking to people who have not been born again yet. Why else would he say a few lines before:

"That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ." - 1 John 1:3

So he is basically saying that he himself has fellowship with God and Jesus, but that the people who he is talking to don't. In other words: John never said that it was impossible to stop sinning. He is even the one who said that Children of God CANNOT sin:

Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. - 1 John 3:9

Isn't that good news?  :D

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He is even the one who said that Children of God CANNOT sin:

no you have missed the mark/ point/ there ; as scripture declares - even if we have not live it - that Romans 3:23 - for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,


I sin everyday and I am born again..

Whereas - in God's eyes / he looks at me and see's a sinless Jesus..



once born again -  I had to grow up fast and start feeding on solid meat and do it quckly -[ my spirit quickend by God]  [I would pray that prayer that God would make me grow up faster/

as in Romans 8:11  But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwells in you.




No I'm afriad when we are born again - we enter a new world - we actually bring our old lives into the new Kingdom..

We are a work in progress - where God is still working in us  and bringing things up from the surface - He works at us [ much like precious jewels] He refines us and moulds us .. over time.

I'm afraid none of us will ever be perfect - until we go to be with Christ..






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no you have missed the mark/ point/ there ; as scripture declares - even if we have not live it - that Romans 3:23 - for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

Of course, everyone has sinned. Once in their life. But that doesn't mean that we continue sinning if we are truly born again. Didn't Jesus said whoever sins is a slave to sin?

Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin. And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever. If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed. - John 8:34-36

Jesus came to free us from sin, so that we are no longer slaves!

For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. - 1 John 3:8

Or did John lie when he said all of this?

And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.

6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

1 John 3:3-10


And also Paul didn't teach anything else. He said that is we live according to the flesh, we MUST die. Only if we live according to the spirit we will live.

Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. - Romans 8:12-14

Neither Jesus, nor his disciples, nor Paul said that we have to sin for ever and can't stop even if we want to. What would even be the point of being born again nothing changes afterwards? I think this is truly a good message. That we can change with the help of God if we really want to.  :D





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You shouldn't look just at that chapter for context, but at the whole letter.

Towards the end, John says, "I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life." (I John 5:13)

Doesn't this make it a truly encouraging message? That falling into sin doesn't mean that we have lost our salvation (or never had it in the first place). All Christians sin - but we aren't enslaved by sin any more, we don't sin continually. See Romans 6 for a fuller explanation.

Note also that John says, "If we claim to be without sin..." He includes himself!
"Resist the devil, standing firm in the faith." (I Peter 5:9)

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Note also that John says, "If we claim to be without sin..." He includes himself!

He includes himself because everyone has sinned once in their life. If you accept Jesus and receive forgiveness for his sins, you turn away from his old sinful nature. And everyone has to go through this process at least once in their life. This is the repentance the Bible is always talking about. But that doesn't mean that we have to keep on sinning after we are a new creature led by the HOLY Spirit. The Spirit of God sanctifies us and helps us to stop sinning.

Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin; That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God. (1 Peter 4:1-2)

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Well yes, you will want to avoid sin [or avoid situations]. as a Christian.

Yes that's 1 John 3:6 Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him.

Then Paul writes - Romans 7:15 I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do.





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Then Paul writes - Romans 7:15 I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do.

In Romans 7 Paul clearly just describes how people are if they are not born again yet. He even announces that at the end of chapter Romans 6. But if you read Romans 8 it becomes evident that Paul did not believe that we have to continue sinning. He even said that we have to die if we live according to the flesh! Therefore, we must live according to the spirit and mortify the deeds of our body.

Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. - Romans 8:12-14

For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. - Romans 8:5-8[/size]


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I think I have met you before - but in another forum.. many years ago - ..

Do you remember "the lounge ?"



Paul is describing his  own dilemna. in Romans 7:15 I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do.

So when you were "born again" did you know scripture ?  ...

Who  influenced you in your life  ?



I have no problem with your belief - trouble is [if you believe you cannot sin - then there is no need for repentance]  - "do you remember me saying this" - I stated that "you must have a problem with disagreements within your own family/ Church/  rather than disagree with each other - you must be simply changing your minds - to avoid sin], between yourselves.

Anyway I would like to know "if you knew scripture - before you were born again and the influences upon you .

I mean were the changes difficult - did they go against you own desires and future - without knowing anything about scripture - or father - were you and are you still are completely - dependennt on Him and why ?



 I have no problenm with you , at all - do continue posting - in fact you have full license for many years to come..

I just want to get deeper into your [rebirth ]  and into [why you tick]  :D

Ha ha that's wht someone said to me [once]

Aynway welcome and we "Welcome and love you as you -as you are"

May you spend many years on here.





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