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Re: Johns Gospel
« Reply #24 on: January 16, 2021, 01:01:56 PM »
Hi
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       Now when he was in Jerusalem at the Passover Feast, many believed in his name when they saw the signs that he was doing. But Jesus on his part did not entrust himself to them, because he knew all people and needed no one to bear witness about man, for he himself knew what was in man.
John 2:23-‬25 ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/jhn.2.23-25.ESV             


Here we are told that our Lord did not put his trust in man he knows we are fickle  creatures we promise something one day and forget it the next here we see many in the temple believing and a relatively short time later they are shouting crucify him.

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Re: Johns Gospel
« Reply #25 on: January 16, 2021, 07:05:09 PM »
Hi
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     So the Jews said to him, ?What sign do you show us for doing these things?? Jesus answered them, ?Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.?  The Jews then said, ?It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and will you raise it up in three days?? But he was speaking about the temple of his body. When therefore he was raised from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this, and they believed the Scripture and the word that Jesus had spoken.
John 2:18-‬22 ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/jhn.2.18-22.ESV       


Here our Lord tells the Jews and us as well of the temple he would raise up in three days this temple would be his body which was raised up after his resurrection.
The body of course is the body of believers all those who have accepted Christ as their Saviour all those from all denominations who have been accepted into the body of Christ this is the Church there is only one church and that is the body of Christ.
I think there is a spiritual side to this at the present time Christ and the Church his body are separated but they will be united at his coming which will be three days after his ascension that is days 1000 years long.

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Dave
Care to elaborate on this as I don't understand it? Thanks.
https://bible.com/bible/59/jhn.2.18-22.ESV

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Re: Johns Gospel
« Reply #26 on: January 17, 2021, 12:17:36 AM »
Yes - Jesus spoke and the authorities  ATT could not understand it - in fact the dsiciples could not understand until "Jesus came back and shows Himself to them.. they also thought that Jesus was going to overthrow the authorities andf become the nxt King here on earth.

So you have this appearing after death - many times times, to finally convince His  disciples.

They all wanted signs -  "give us a sign"    Matthew 16:4  A wicked and adulterous generation looks for a sign, but none will be given it except the sign of Jonah." Jesus then left them and went away.

 
Here no money could be made "the temple was about making money"

Hence Jesus turned over all the money changers tables  - Matthew 21:12.

This was longer worldly  - but of another world..[Alien to them]

Remember that Jesus came down to a Jewish first and then the Gentiles..the world - you and me..it was for the whole world through grafting in - Jesus being the Vine.

Ahh you have many links here - back to the OT . and is like a big web.

We then have this thing about the temple being raised up within three days - The Temple to some was "The Temple in Jerusalem where  the made money out of people" basic human need !

Alongside that you will find people making money out of scupltures Acts 17:16 While Paul was waiting for them in Athens, he was greatly distressed to see that the city was full of idols.  this was a big family trade and income. within that city.


Plus - you have a woman that followed Paul in / Acts 16:17 She followed Paul and the rest of us, shouting, "These men are servants of the Most High God, who are telling you the way to be saved." again a big gain for those who employed her.


No one knew that they were putting their God to death and even that they would be spreading this message to people - they rwally did'nt want it spread it too.

I mean Jews and Gentiles ?

In a sad way "the anti Christ" has tried to relictate/dulplicate/ this - through the EU..



 So you have to understand - that Jesus is in you - you are the Temple and the ending of this - is that " your  temple is being restored /  the actual temple is no more.

You are now facing a war between  evil  and good.


You still see people doing the same thing today .. they think  they are the temple .

Hence we go back to Hence Jesus turned over all the money changers tables  - Matthew 21:12.


 
These verses are all about "Jesus  [ The TEMPLE] being destroyed so that you might live [while others seem to think they are the Temple [it still goes on today - as it did in that time..

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Re: Johns Gospel
« Reply #27 on: January 17, 2021, 10:38:14 AM »
Care to elaborate on this as I don't understand it? Thanks.

Hi eik
Thank you for your question I take it it is the bit you have underlined

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  which will be three days after his ascension that is days 1000 years long         

We are told in scripture that with the Lord a day is a 1000 years my contention is when God destroyed the earth in the flood he began a new creation with Noah and everything that was on the ark the onlything missing was man in Gods image.
So God began a new creation based on the creation account in Genesis the last thing God creates is man in his image which is Jesus Christ at his second coming to be united with his bride the church which is his body this is man in the image of God.
So this creation will take in total 7 days 1000 years long 4 days from Noah to the first advent of Christ 2 days to complete the creation of man In the image of God and the 7th day the millennial reign of Christ and the sabbath day of rest for the Father when he hands everything over to Christ to finish the creation.

If you wish to discuss this further would you please start a new thread as I do not wish to divert this tread of John's gospel.

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Dave

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Re: Johns Gospel
« Reply #28 on: January 17, 2021, 12:28:20 PM »
So you have to understand - that Jesus is in you - you are the Temple and the ending of this - is that " your  temple is being restored /  the actual temple is no more.

You are now facing a war between  evil  and good.


You still see people doing the same thing today .. they think  they are the temple .

Hence we go back to Hence Jesus turned over all the money changers tables  - Matthew 21:12.


 
These verses are all about "Jesus  [ The TEMPLE] being destroyed so that you might live [while others seem to think they are the Temple [it still goes on today - as it did in that time..
Interesting. I see the temple as the outer shell, even your body which is a temple of the Holy Spirit. 1 Corinthians 6:19-20. Sometimes however the temple is just described as "you" 1 Corinthians 3:16-17.

Our earthly temple will not be restored, as it is condemned due to sin. Rather it is our souls and spirits that are being made alive to God and we will be given new bodies at the resurrection 1 Cor 15:35-58.

Yet I agree that there are many who would wish to establish and construe the church as an earthly temple, perhaps in the form of a secular church comprised of worldly assets. They are deceived and trust to idols 2 Corinthians 6:16.

On the other hand the "temple" is also a metaphor for the whole body of Christ on earth, the holy priesthood of persons who make up the whole church. Ephesians 2:19-22, 1 Peter 2:5

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Re: Johns Gospel
« Reply #29 on: January 17, 2021, 01:12:23 PM »
Hi
My thanks for all the interesting posts above now Moving on

       Now there was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews. This man came to Jesus  by night and said to him, ?Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher come from God, for no one can do these signs that you do unless God is with him.? Jesus answered him, ?Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again  he cannot see the kingdom of God.?
John 3:1-‬3 ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/jhn.3.1-3.ESV   


Here we see Nicodemus not admitting who Jesus is he says he is a teacher sent from God but dose not admit  he is the son of God the Messiah.
Then our Lord tells him he must be born again this would be achieved through baptism we must die to our old life and be reborn into a new life as part of the body of Christ.

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Dave
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Re: Johns Gospel
« Reply #30 on: January 18, 2021, 12:53:12 AM »
@eik  are you born again ?



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Re: Johns Gospel
« Reply #31 on: January 18, 2021, 09:26:41 AM »
@eik  are you born again ?
Hardly on topic. And a rude thing to post. The man with the Spirit will know the answer.

 

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