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Prophecies
« on: December 11, 2020, 01:42:40 PM »
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Have been thinking of this for some time what are the chances of Christ fulfilling them it seems to be impossible the following I have copied from the net to give us some idea.

      Some scholars believe there are more than 300 prophecies about Jesus in the Old Testament. These prophecies are specific enough that the mathematical probability of Jesus fulfilling even a handful of them, let alone all of them, is staggeringly improbable?if not impossible.

Peter Stoner, Chairman of the Departments of Mathematics and Astronomy at Pasadena College, was passionate about biblical prophecies. With 600 students from the InterVarsity Christian Fellowship, Stoner looked at eight specific prophecies about Jesus. They came up with extremely conservative probabilities for each one being fulfilled, and then considered the likelihood of Jesus fulfilling all eight of those prophecies.

The conclusion to his research was staggering. The prospect that anyone would satisfy those eight prophecies was just 1 in 10^17In Science Speaks, he described it like this:

"Let us try to visualize this chance. If you mark one of ten tickets, and place all of the tickets in a hat, and thoroughly stir them, and then ask a blindfolded man to draw one, his chance of getting the right ticket is one in ten. Suppose that we take 10^17 silver dollars and lay them on the face of Texas. They will cover all of the state two feet deep. Now mark one of these silver dollars and stir the whole mass thoroughly, all over the state.

"Blindfold a man and tell him that he can travel as far as he wishes, but he must pick up one silver dollar and say that this is the right one. What chance would he have of getting the right one? Just the same chance that the prophets would have had of writing these eight prophecies and having them all come true in any one man, from their day to the present time, providing they wrote using their own wisdom     


So we can see how impossible it would be so I hope others will join in with their favorite prophecies of our Lord in the OT and hope they will be a blessing  to those who read them.

So lets begin

      Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign. Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
Isaiah 7:14 ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/isa.7.14.ESV         


This has been fulfilled

   And the angel said to her, ?Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God. And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus. He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. And the Lord God will give to him the throne of his father David, and he will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of his kingdom there will be no end.?  And Mary said to the angel, ?How will this be, since I am a virgin??  And the angel answered her, ?The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; therefore the child to be born will be called holy? the Son of God.
Luke 1:30-‬35 ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/luk.1.30-35.ESV       


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Re: Prophecies
« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2020, 05:52:47 PM »
I think there's a mistake in the number 1017. 1 in 1017 is not particularly improbable (bearing in mind how many millions of people there are in the world). And 1017 coins wouldn't cover any significant area of land to a depth of 2 feet!

But apart from that, this sort of statistic is actually slightly misleading. The problem is, that most (not all) of the prophecies that Jesus "fulfilled" were not recognised as Messianic prophecies beforehand. The virgin birth is a good example. The original prophecy was made to King Ahaz about 700BC, and was fulfilled within a few years - the virgin in question having got married and then conceived in the normal way. The Jews were NOT expecting their Messiah to be born of a virgin, and it was only after the event that the Christians looked back and recognised the link.

I know this idea is very popular, and I don't like pouring cold water on it, but it really doesn't stand up to logical analysis.
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« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2020, 06:49:24 PM »
Hi Deborah
                                                                                                                       
Thank you for pointing out the number is wrong should read 1 in 10^17         

Are you saying that this prophecy has nothing to do with Christ

      Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign. Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
Isaiah 7:14 ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/isa.7.14.ESV               


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« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2020, 07:04:20 PM »
Hi Deborah
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Thank you for pointing out the number is wrong should read 1 in 10

No, it can't be 1 in 10 - that would make it almost a certainty!

It should be 1 in 1,017,000 or even larger if it's to make any sense!

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Are you saying that this prophecy has nothing to do with Christ

No, I'm saying that it only became recognisable as a prophecy after it was fulfilled. It wasn't on the "checklist" of qualifications (if there was one) that needed to be fulfilled by the Messiah.

It's one thing to look back and point to all the hints and foreshadowings in the Old Testament of Jesus' birth, life and death. The more you look, the more you see. But that's not what most people understand by "fulfilling prophecy".

For example, there's a very clear prophecy in Micah that the Messiah would be born in Bethlehem. It was something that all the Jews were expecting. Also it was prophesied that He would be a descendant of King David. But the virgin birth is a different kind of prophecy - it's more like a riddle, and you couldn't work it out without being given the answer.
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Re: Prophecies
« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2020, 11:44:18 AM »
No, it can't be 1 in 10 - that would make it almost a certainty!

It should be 1 in 1,017,000 or even larger if it's to make any sense!

  Hi Deborah
Thank you for your reply yes of course you are right forgive my stupidity it should read 10 to the power of 17 and I believe it can be written 10^17 which is a very large number       


No, I'm saying that it only became recognisable as a prophecy after it was fulfilled. It wasn't on the "checklist" of qualifications (if there was one) that needed to be fulfilled by the Messiah.

But surly all prophecies can only be verified  when they come true and Christ fulfilled numerous prophecies from the OT and even says himself that Moses wrote about him         

It's one thing to look back and point to all the hints and foreshadowings in the Old Testament of Jesus' birth, life and death. The more you look, the more you see. But that's not what most people understand by "fulfilling prophecy".

seams pretty strait forward to me someone says something  thousands of years ago and it comes true thats a prophecy fulfilled if its only one prophecy  you could say its coincidence but when its numerous prophecies about the same person it can not be coincidence it can only come from God who knows the end from the beginning

For example, there's a very clear prophecy in Micah that the Messiah would be born in Bethlehem. It was something that all the Jews were expecting. Also it was prophesied that He would be a descendant of King David. But the virgin birth is a different kind of prophecy - it's more like a riddle, and you couldn't work it out without being given the answer.

   what makes you think they were not waiting for a virgin birth the prophecy is quite clear the child would be called Emmnuel    which means God with us which surely means the Messiah Christ was born in Bethlehem what more could you want         


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Re: Prophecies
« Reply #5 on: December 13, 2020, 01:36:37 AM »
Ahh yeah- .

What a topic..

I remember prophesying myself - little did I know - I was telling people  about my own future.. and about others within my own future..

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it's more like a riddle, and you couldn't work it out without being given the answer.

Yeah now we can look back with the whole scripture - as now I/ we/  can look back and realize that I/ we / were propesying our own futures -my own future.. woo

 Wow. the ongoing active reality of the Word - ongong in my/our  lives - god was telling me about what would happen, without me knowing it - woo


I foretold - an event - over and over about how "those closest to you could affect your life and attack - because the enemy attacks from those closest to you








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Re: Prophecies
« Reply #6 on: December 13, 2020, 11:32:38 AM »
Hi
Thanks TJ for your input interesting.

Moving on

   15  And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel             

The reference to the woman is Mary her seed of course is Christ and Christ would bruise the head of the serpent the devil and the devil will bruise Christs heel.
I think this means that the devil will cause a slight injury to Christ and Christ would cause a fatal injury to satan.

       .20  But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost

        4  But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law           


And here we have conformation of the fact that the woman Mary would give birth to the seed which is the son of God.

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Re: Prophecies
« Reply #7 on: December 14, 2020, 01:30:05 PM »
Hi TJ
Thank you for your reply the reason I post so much is to spread Gods word on the net its for all those read the posts but never post I allmost always post Gods word in Red so it stands out and will be read by all those who visit this if you look at the words of Jesus thread you will see it has been  viewed  over 26 thousand times and on almost every post was Gods word and this is the reason I post its Gods word that counts not mine.

Moving on to the next prophecy

     2  But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting         

This can only be our Lord he is the only one who is from everlasting from  before creation began everything is created through him and for him.

And here we have conformation of the above

      1  Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem,       

         4  And Joseph also went up from Galilee, out of the city of Nazareth, into Judaea, unto the city of David, which is called Bethlehem; (because he was of the house and lineage of David:)

 5  To be taxed with Mary his espoused wife, being great with child.

 6  And so it was, that, while they were there, the days were accomplished that she should be delivered.

 7  And she brought forth her firstborn son, and wrapped him in swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger; because there was no room for them in the inn               


And here we have conformation from the Lord  himself

       Luk 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning       

So we need to consider the OT and everything it has to say about our Lord Jesus Christ.

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Dave


 

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