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The Lord's Prayer
« on: November 18, 2020, 05:44:04 PM »

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'And it came to pass,
.. that, as He was praying in a certain place,
.... when He ceased,
...... one of His disciples said unto Him,
........ "Lord, teach us to pray,
.......... as John also taught his disciples."
And He said unto them,
.. "When ye pray, say,
.... Our Father which art in heaven,
...... Hallowed be thy name.
........ Thy kingdom come.
.......... Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth.
........... Give us day by day our daily bread.
............ And forgive us our sins;
.............. for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us.
................ And lead us not into temptation;
.................. but deliver us from evil.'

(Luke 11:1-4)

Hello there,

'The Lord's Prayer' is the name given to the prayer that is recorded in Matthew 6, and is recited by congregations worldwide, in school assemblies - and in secular gatherings also in which there are people of other faiths or the lack of faith entirely,. It forms part of the sermon on the mount.

* This prayer is not offered 'in the name' of the Saviour. In John 16, the Lord said, 'Hitherto have ye asked nothing in My name', and this includes 'the Lord's prayer'. He continued by saying, 'Ask, and ye shall receive' (John 16:23,24) . Also in John 14:13-14, when addressing His disciples He said, 'And whatsoever ye shall ask in My name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.; If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.'

* The mediation of Christ Jesus the risen Lord, is a vital factor in prayer to God. Paul's prayers were directed to, 'The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ': terminology which can only be used by a believer; for in uttering it you are declaring the Lordship of Christ, that He is the Son of God. These words would not be uttered by one of another faith, or by one of no faith either: only by those who acknowledge the person and work of the Lord Jesus Christ: and only such would ask anything in His Name.

* The prayer of Luke 11:1-4, lays out a format for prayer, it was not intended to be recited over and over and over, as it has been: either by those who believe in God and in the person and work of His precious Son; or by those who do not acknowledge the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ but go through the motions of religious rite for forms sake.

* The prayers of Ephesians and Colossians are so much more appropriate for the believer to pray, and the title 'The Lord's Prayer' much more appropriate to that of John 17.

'These words spake Jesus,
and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said,
"Father, the hour is come;
glorify thy Son,
that thy Son also may glorify thee
: ... ... '
(John 17:1+)

Thank you.
In Christ Jesus
Chris

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Re: The Lord's Prayer
« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2020, 12:05:57 AM »
Yes that has been on my mind today .

Also about forgiveness..

You must forgive and move on -   you must move on [otherwise the whole thing will cause harm to you]

It's the Lords prayer...


This weeks @Church " [email protected] - was about how God judged people [in the book of JONAH]

I  have problems with God forgiving those - I do not want Him to forgive..

And that is exactly the message in the book of Jonah ...

Jonah's  temptation was to run from God...

God had to take him or her to the point where they had to go to Nineveh and in the end Jonah said I knew you would forgive them ] the problem was that job did'nt want that - he wanted God to punish them..


I mean what a waste of time and what a waste 'while in relationship'

You know what God will do https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HqgWq5cu08


He finshed by telling God 'I knew You would do that'

It does not reallty say whether Jonah forgave - but that God did [ I have to add that Niniveh was overtaken in the end]

Only because of their continued  sin...

Nothing to do with jonah and his will  - but God's eternal will.

but the basic story was about God forgiving and using a person who did not ...and did not want too  - forgive Ninevah - it is a story of God changing and allowing  Niniveh to turn around..



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HqgWq5cu08

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Re: The Lord's Prayer
« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2020, 01:44:20 PM »
Hi
I believe its who we pray to the Father no one else through Jesus Christ as I understand it some people pray to the saints and to Mary I think this is wrong our Lord makes very plain we should pray to our Heavenly Father no one else.
And what we pray for should be in line with the will of the Father so we should not be disappointed if our prayer is not answered it may not be in line with the Father will remember he did not remove the thorn from Paul's side.
I think we should pray for the coming of his kingdom on a daily basis we really need that happen as soon as possible.
To pray for forgiveness is a good idea but remember its based on how we forgive others so lets forgive our neighbours.
Let us pray for our daily bread especially our bread from heaven
Let us pray that he leads by the right path that leads to him.

Love and Peace
Dave

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Re: The Lord's Prayer
« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2020, 11:19:06 PM »
It is tempting to forgive - yet  want someone of a   certain group to "pay for what they have done"

So in that persective I  am judging [from my own values and morals]

In the case of Jonah - he hated the Ninevites and their worship of other god's..

Hi
I believe its who we pray to the Father no one else through Jesus Christ as I understand it some people pray to the saints and to Mary I think this is wrong our Lord makes very plain we should pray to our Heavenly Father no one else.
And what we pray for should be in line with the will of the Father so we should not be disappointed if our prayer is not answered it may not be in line with the Father will remember he did not remove the thorn from Paul's side.
I think we should pray for the coming of his kingdom on a daily basis we really need that happen as soon as possible.
To pray for forgiveness is a good idea but remember its based on how we forgive others so lets forgive our neighbours.
Let us pray for our daily bread especially our bread from heaven
Let us pray that he leads by the right path that leads to him.

Love and Peace
Dave

You have hit the nail on the head @davetaff

Jonah never wanted Ninovah to be saved / but not only did God use him - but God used him to save a whole nation - totally agaisnt our / his will..




The only reason I have added this to the "Lords prayer" is that God has been speaking to me about this..

re: the Lords prayer is about a Father who cares even for Jonah - the Father then  provided Jonah with a tree/branch/wing - after he had obeyed [though he never wanted too]

The whole story here is about people - it's about the Fathers heart [not about my heart]

I may forgive but - I have the temtpation - to want people to pay  - I want them to have judgement.

Forgiving someone is the easy option - but to be asked by God Hinself to preach the gospel  - to the very poeple who have sinned against me ?

To turn a person or a whole nation away from their god's and their ways ?

jonah as many now today - went the oposite way and want the opposite way..

I do not blame jonah today or neither Jonah in the bible...

In a way he was forced - such is the mercy of God.

That generation was saved - until they went back to their deeds..

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One thing is to forgive - but as you go deeper, you have to stand in the place of others..

This is the message of evangelism and being a brother..

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I do not care whether a person is praying to  a god or god's .. my job is to bring them to turn around / as jonah did.

The basics of the Lords prayer is to forgive those who sin agaisnt us - this is the basics - Jonah goes on to how - I can develop and move on from that basic action..

i may have to bring the gospel to the very people who have ruined my lifeeee... you are now the jonah... today - in your life -you have now lived the scripture .


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Forgiving is easy - forgetting is God's domain - but God allowing   a nation to carry on - and to use you to make them repent - thta's another story...

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i prayed for my mother for years and she finaly came to the Lord [ she had all kinds of modern gods in new dress]

She finally came to the Lord - after many years.. she was like a Ninevah to me..

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I am not interested in the things she worshipped - in the same way I put away " the things I worshipped when and before I was  saved"

If I am in that  cycle - that Jonah was in - then listen and learn [the Lords prayer is the basic's - and I will have to build on that]

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The Lords prayer is the basics - it is the milk - before solid food..as Jonah went from milk  to solid food..now Jonah had to not just forgive- he had tell  - the very nation that he loathed - [under God's anointing]  to turn around..


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Okay - I,ll leave it there.


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Re: The Lord's Prayer
« Reply #4 on: November 20, 2020, 12:05:34 PM »
@TJ
@davetaff,

Thank you both for responding to my OP.

* In Matthew 6:5-15, during His sermon on the mount, the Lord gives instruction as to how, and what to pray.
* In Luke 11:1-4, the Lord gives instruction as to how to pray, in response to His disciples request, ' ... Lord, teach us to pray, as John also taught his disciples.'

I can't continue at the moment, but simply want to acknowledge your entries.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris


 

 
 
 

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