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Interpretation
« on: November 03, 2020, 04:28:35 PM »

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Hi Chris
Thank you for your reply and excellent scripture yes we certainly discuss our beliefs I think we both believe  the same thing but from different perspectives.
Yes let's discuss would you like to start.

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Dave

Hi there, Dave,

I believe that the Bible should be approached from a literal standpoint (grammatically & historically) making allowances for figures of speech, symbols, and types: avoiding allegorising, or spiritualizing, which is destructive of true understanding.  There is only one interpretation of a passage of Scripture, but there may be many applications of that passage; these are secondary to the interpretation and must be kept so.

* How do you interpret Scripture, Dave?

This is an important place to start, because if we are not together on this, we will always be at odds with each other in regard to the interpretation of a passage of Scripture.

Grace and Peace.
Chris

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Re: Interpretation
« Reply #1 on: November 03, 2020, 06:48:27 PM »
Hi Chris
Thank you for your reply I interprit scripture in the first place by believing what the scripture say a litaral understanding.
I don't believe  God wants us to spend half our lives in university learning ancient languages so we can understand what he wants us to know.
The bible we have KJV ESV is good enough for this purpose I believe the bible is a simple story of creation from start to finish.
God loves us and he wants us to know who he is and what he is doing.
All the things you mention above are valid and can be used but first of all keep it simple.

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Re: Interpretation
« Reply #2 on: November 03, 2020, 09:00:09 PM »
Hi Chris
Thank you for your reply I interprit scripture in the first place by believing what the scripture say a litaral understanding.
I don't believe  God wants us to spend half our lives in university learning ancient languages so we can understand what he wants us to know.
The bible we have KJV ESV is good enough for this purpose I believe the bible is a simple story of creation from start to finish.
God loves us and he wants us to know who he is and what he is doing.
All the things you mention above are valid and can be used but first of all keep it simple.

Love and Peace
Dave

Thank you for responding, Dave,

So, you also approach the Scriptures with the intent of taking it literally, too, so that's good, making allowances for figures of speech, symbols, and types of course.

There are those who I am very grateful were able to apply themselves to the study of the Scriptures and were able to have an understanding of Koine Greek and the Hebrew language, and to those who compiled the concordances and study helps that we have for our assistance today.  I do not have that ability, but I have been blessed by the work of those who have.

However, the Bible we have, is intended for us to understand, as it is; and the Holy Spirit can enable us to understand it. Yet without Him we can never plumb it's depths, for it's truths are spiritually discerned, as you will agree I'm sure. Psalm 119:130, says, 'The entrance of Thy words giveth light; it giveth understanding unto the simple.'  That sounds good to me, Dave. :D

So, if you want to start a thread now, with the subject heading of your choice in which to tell me what you believe, I will join you there.

Grace and Peace.
Chris

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Re: Interpretation
« Reply #3 on: November 04, 2020, 01:00:38 PM »
Hi Chris
I have split the topic as I think these last posts are relevant  and gives us a bases to start from.

So how should the scriptures be interpreted for my self after reading numerous books by many different authors  all saying different things and making me very confused I sat down and said to myself how dose the scriptures speak to me so I put all my other books to one side picked up my bible  and began to read and have never looked back.

Then one day I read this verse.

        Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:
Isaiah 46:10 KJV
https://bible.com/bible/1/isa.46.10.KJV     


And all of a sudden bells started ringing the sun began to shine and I have never looked back for me it makes sense of the whole bible the end is man in the image of God which Christ at his second comming the crowning glory of creation the beginning  is the first words of Genesis.
So this is where I began so everything I say is based on  this interpretation so if this wrong so everything  I say is wrong.
I believe this is a literal interpretation of the above scriptures

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https://bible.com/bible/1/isa.46.10.KJV

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Re: Interpretation
« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2020, 10:07:23 AM »
Hi Chris
I have split the topic as I think these last posts are relevant  and gives us a bases to start from.

So how should the scriptures be interpreted for my self after reading numerous books by many different authors  all saying different things and making me very confused I sat down and said to myself how dose the scriptures speak to me so I put all my other books to one side picked up my bible  and began to read and have never looked back.

Then one day I read this verse.

        Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:
Isaiah 46:10 KJV

And all of a sudden bells started ringing the sun began to shine and I have never looked back for me it makes sense of the whole bible the end is man in the image of God which Christ at his second coming the crowning glory of creation the beginning  is the first words of Genesis.
So this is where I began so everything I say is based on  this interpretation so if this wrong so everything  I say is wrong.
I believe this is a literal interpretation of the above scriptures

Love and Peace
Dave

Hi Dave,

It was a good idea to split the topic, for as you say our last posts were relevant to how we proceed.

Thank you for your testimony concerning what influenced your present approach to Scripture, and for presenting the verse which opened your eyes to the fact that God declares the end from the beginning. (Isaiah 46:9-10) 

'Remember the former things of old: for -
I am God, and there is none else;
I am God, and there is none like Me,
Declaring the end from the beginning,
and from ancient times the things that are not yet done,
saying, My counsel shall stand,
and I will do all My pleasure: ... '


* So, presumably you then read (Gen 1:26-27 ) 

'And God said,
Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:
and let them have dominion -
.. over the fish of the sea,
.... and over the fowl of the air,
...... and over the cattle,
........ and over all the earth,
.......... and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
So God created man in His Own Image,
.. in the image of God created He him;
.... male and female created He them.'


* Which led you to believe that the goal of God, is man in God's image. Which you perceive will be fulfilled at Christ's coming again, when those who are His will be resurrected in His image.  Have I interpreted your words correctly?

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

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Re: Interpretation
« Reply #5 on: November 05, 2020, 01:17:24 PM »
Hi Chris
Thank you for your reply you said

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'And God said,
Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:
and let them have dominion -
.. over the fish of the sea,
.... and over the fowl of the air,
...... and over the cattle,
........ and over all the earth,
.......... and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
So God created man in His Own Image,
.. in the image of God created He him;
.... male and female created He them.'

* Which led you to believe that the goal of God, is man in God's image. Which you perceive will be fulfilled at Christ's coming again, when those who are His will be resurrected in His image.  Have I interpreted your words correctly     

A bone of contention what dose man in Gods image look like in the first place I don't think a man like me is in the image of God.
God said make man in our image how many dose the word our imply we know we have two men who have been created in Gods image Israel and Christ.
Moses was the Head of the nation the priesthood was his helper the woman his Eve the people were the children.
The only difference with Christ is he is king and high preist his bride is the church his Eve his helper all this will come to pass at his second coming this is man in the image of God the word man should be understood as mankind in the image of God.
So the end of creation is all those who belong to Christ living on this planet in love peace and harmony under our King And High Priest Jesus Christ this is mankind in the image of God.
How dose this mirror heaven we have God the Father the head of all things and then all the heavenly host I assume he has his Eve his helper I think maybe all the ark angels he has use throughout creation.

Love and peace
Dave

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Re: Interpretation
« Reply #6 on: November 05, 2020, 01:56:12 PM »
Hello @davetaff,

Would you please answer my question, asked at the end of my last entry (reply#4), so that I will know that I am indeed understanding you correctly, before we proceed further.

Thank you
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Chris

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Re: Interpretation
« Reply #7 on: November 05, 2020, 04:09:59 PM »
Hi Chris
Thanks for your question
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* Which led you to believe that the goal of God, is man in God's image. Which you perceive will be fulfilled at Christ's coming again, when those who are His will be resurrected in His image.  Have I interpreted your words correctly?       

Sorry if I have not made myself plain what you have said above is OK except for
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when those who are His will be resurrected in His image     

Depends what you mean by Image I mean all those who are Christ's and are in the first resurrection all of them with Christ as the head will be Mankind in the image of God.
Not one individual man Not forgetting man was created to look after the planet.

Love and Peace
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