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Common Figure of Speech/Colloquial Language?

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Offline davetaff

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Re: Common Figure of Speech/Colloquial Language?
« Reply #48 on: May 19, 2022, 07:31:07 PM »
And again, that "someone new" needs to be someone who believes the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week with a 1st day of the week resurrection, and who thinks that the "heart of the earth" is referring exclusively to the tomb, and who tries to explain the lack of a 3rd night by saying that the Messiah was employing common figure of speech/colloquial language of the period.

Hi rstrats
Dose it matter if Christ says he would be in the grave 3 days and 3 nights then that's what happened.
Don't know if it helps but the Jewish day began at sundown so Christ was crucified in the light part of the day when the sun went down the 2nd day began he was in the tomb all that day and the next and rose up in the dark part of the following day so he was in the tomb 2 full days and 2 halve days total 3 days and three nights.

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Re: Common Figure of Speech/Colloquial Language?
« Reply #49 on: May 19, 2022, 10:51:20 PM »
Dave I didn't ask you your interpretation of the creation story which you have repeatedly covered over the years and which has been addressed by many members.  Your creation narrative starting from Noah and not Adam is skew.  This thread was not to give you another platform to regurgitate it. 

Please reread my question and answer that or if you are unable to, just say so. 

Using Scripture colloquially or as a figure of speech changes its intent and understanding based upon your own understanding and interpretation of its content in the first place.
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Re: Common Figure of Speech/Colloquial Language?
« Reply #50 on: May 20, 2022, 10:50:38 AM »
@davetaff
Have you not just contradicted yourself in respect of your #41 reply?

And yes do go there.  In the creation account, is that day 24 hours as you understand a day is now? 
Because the point is that how days were measured biblically are different to how measured now.

Hi Serenity
Sorry if I misunderstood you when you said go there I thought you meant the creation account silly me.
Of course days where 24 hours governed by the sun the problem is how could there be evenings and mornings the first day if there was no sun until day 4 makes no sense my explanation makes perfect sense.

Another way is to see light and dark as good and evil being in the world the evil of course being the tree of knowledge of course we must have the knowledge of evil to be like God in his image.

  Gen 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever     

Sorry rambling on again but as we see there are things in the Genesis account that make no sense in this day and age so there has to be a better explanation don't you think.

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Re: Common Figure of Speech/Colloquial Language?
« Reply #51 on: May 20, 2022, 12:30:42 PM »
Hi rstrats
Dose it matter [?]


It matters to a person's integrity if they assert that it that was common to say that a daytime or a night time would be involved with an event when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could occur and not have any examples to support the legitimacy of their assertion.

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Re: Common Figure of Speech/Colloquial Language?
« Reply #52 on: May 21, 2022, 01:44:28 PM »
Hi
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   Using Scripture colloquially or as a figure of speech changes its intent and understanding based upon your own understanding and interpretation of its content in the first place         

Who decides what is a figure of speach someone says it is and someone says it's not so who shall we believe.
Do people say something is a figure of speech to support their theology because if they take it as literal it would destroyed theology.
So are things said to be a figure of speach to change the meaning of scripture to suit our pet theories.

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Re: Common Figure of Speech/Colloquial Language?
« Reply #53 on: May 21, 2022, 01:54:38 PM »

It matters to a person's integrity if they assert that it that was common to say that a daytime or a night time would be involved with an event when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could occur and not have any examples to support the legitimacy of their assertion.


Hi rstrats
Thank you for your reply I think my explanation was quite adequate and the words of our Lord backs it up

     For just as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
Matthew 12:40 ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/mat.12.40.ESV         


From the lips of our Lord so thats what happened its not negotiable

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Re: Common Figure of Speech/Colloquial Language?
« Reply #54 on: May 21, 2022, 10:19:21 PM »
Hi
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Who decides what is a figure of speach someone says it is and someone says it's not so who shall we believe.
Do people say something is a figure of speech to support their theology because if they take it as literal it would destroyed theology.
So are things said to be a figure of speach to change the meaning of scripture to suit our pet theories.

Love and Peace
Dave

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Re: Common Figure of Speech/Colloquial Language?
« Reply #55 on: May 22, 2022, 10:52:23 AM »
You tell me dave.

Hi Serenity
Thank you for your reply I don't have a clue I did do a Google and the amount of literature is endless would the God of Love make life that hard to understand his word.
For my self I always take the literal meaning first if it makes no sense then I look for another meaning.
The meaning of scripture has to be consistent throughout I don't  think it would contradict it's self for myself  everything is founded on creation.

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Dave

 

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