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Common Figure of Speech/Colloquial Language?
« on: October 16, 2020, 12:52:10 AM »

1. The Messiah said that He would be three days and three nights in the "heart of the earth".

2. There are some who think that the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week with the resurrection taking place on the 1st day of the week.

3. And of those, there are some who think that the "heart of the earth" is referring to the tomb or at the earliest to the moment when His spirit left His body).

4. However, a 6th day of the week crucifixion/1st day of the week resurrection allows for only 2 nights to be involved.

5. To account for the lack of a 3rd night, there may be some of those mentioned above who try to explain the lack of a 3rd night by saying that the Messiah was using common figure of speech/colloquial language.

6. I'm simply curious if anyone who may fall in the above group of believers might provide examples to support the belief of commonality; i.e., instances where a daytime or a night time was forecast or said to be involved with an event when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could have occurred.








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Re: Common Figure of Speech/Colloquial Language?
« Reply #1 on: October 18, 2020, 06:37:27 PM »
Figures of speech, why do you not allow for figures of speech by Jesus and the Jews?
According to historians it was the practice of the Jews to weigh a whole day to a part of a day.
So Jesus being in the tomb for only part of Sunday would be counted as a whole day.

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Re: Common Figure of Speech/Colloquial Language?
« Reply #2 on: October 18, 2020, 09:09:30 PM »
John,
re:  "Figures of speech, why do you not allow for figures of speech by Jesus and the Jews?"

I didn't say that I don't.


re:  "According to historians it was the practice of the Jews to weigh a whole day to a part of a day. So Jesus being in the tomb for only part of Sunday would be counted as a whole day."

I Agree.  But that is an issue for a different topic.

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Re: Common Figure of Speech/Colloquial Language?
« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2020, 10:25:11 PM »
Then why your point 4. If you understand that a part of a day was counted as a whole day.

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Re: Common Figure of Speech/Colloquial Language?
« Reply #4 on: October 21, 2020, 01:03:27 PM »
John,
re:  "Then why your point 4. If you understand that a part of a day was counted as a whole day."

Point 4 is not referring  to calendar days.  It's referring to the lack of a 3rd night. The Messiah said 3 nights would be involved.  You can't get even a portion of a 3rd night with a 6th day of the week crucifixion/first day of the week resurrection.

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Re: Common Figure of Speech/Colloquial Language?
« Reply #5 on: October 23, 2020, 03:45:59 PM »
John,
re:  "Then why your point 4. If you understand that a part of a day was counted as a whole day."

Point 4 is not referring  to calendar days.  It's referring to the lack of a 3rd night. The Messiah said 3 nights would be involved.  You can't get even a portion of a 3rd night with a 6th day of the week crucifixion/first day of the week resurrection.

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It makes no difference, a part of the day was counted as a whole day and that would include the night.

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Re: Common Figure of Speech/Colloquial Language?
« Reply #6 on: October 23, 2020, 03:51:20 PM »
Hi
I have read somewhere that the Jewish day began at sundown don't know if it helps.

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Re: Common Figure of Speech/Colloquial Language?
« Reply #7 on: October 24, 2020, 12:17:51 PM »
John,
re:  "It makes no difference, a part of the day was counted as a whole day and that would include the night."

So how about providing at least two actual instances where a night was specifically said to be involved with an event when no part of a night could have occurred?  Or when a daytime was specifically said to be involved with an event when no part of a daytime could have occurred.

 

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