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Satan
« on: September 27, 2020, 01:02:40 PM »
Hi Chris
Thank you for all these scriptures hard to know where to start of course the locking up of satan seams to be the first act of the millennium  he will not be able to deceive  the nations for a thousand years.
This raises the question why has he bean given free reign for the last 6000 years I believe its  so we can make a choice between good and evil.

        And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
Revelation 5:10 KJV
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Seams to me that Christ will reign here on earth with all those he has chosen from the beginning there is a difference between  a decipel  and an apostel the deciple is a follower An apostel is chosen.
We need to consider what will the world look like when our lord returns very much like it is today so what will happen to all the unbelievers I think this is why Christ will rule with a rod of iron he will rule with all his chosen ones.
I believe it will be a time of educating the masses in who our creator God is and his beloved Son and what he has done for us and what he will do for us all this so they can make a choice this is why the devil is let out for a short time to test their faith.
Then we have those who died before his coming of course all those who are believers will be raised up at his coming to be  part of the millennium  education.
Then we have those who have never heard of the God of the bible or his son maybe the words of St Paul may help.

       For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:  Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)
Romans 2:14-‬15 KJV
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I believe God loves us and wants everyone to be saved but the choice is ours.

Love and Peace
Dave

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Re: Satan
« Reply #1 on: September 28, 2020, 12:33:53 PM »
Hi Chris
Thank you for all these scriptures hard to know where to start of course the locking up of Satan seams to be the first act of the millennium  he will not be able to deceive  the nations for a thousand years.
This raises the question why has he bean given free reign for the last 6000 years I believe its  so we can make a choice between good and evil.

        And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
Revelation 5:10 KJV
 
Seams to me that Christ will reign here on earth with all those he has chosen from the beginning there is a difference between  a decipel  and an apostel the deciple is a follower An apostel is chosen.
We need to consider what will the world look like when our lord returns very much like it is today so what will happen to all the unbelievers I think this is why Christ will rule with a rod of iron he will rule with all his chosen ones.
I believe it will be a time of educating the masses in who our creator God is and his beloved Son and what he has done for us and what he will do for us all this so they can make a choice this is why the devil is let out for a short time to test their faith.
Then we have those who died before his coming of course all those who are believers will be raised up at his coming to be  part of the millennium  education.
Then we have those who have never heard of the God of the bible or his son maybe the words of St Paul may help.

       For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:  Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)
Romans 2:14-‬15 KJV


I believe God loves us and wants everyone to be saved but the choice is ours.

Love and Peace
Dave
Hello @davetaff,

Thank you for responding.  You have introduced another question concerning Satan, which again, will need a thread devoted to it in order to fully explore what the Scriptures have to say concerning him. At the moment I am concerned with the subject of this thread ('The Millenniun'), and seeking to find all that I can concerning this period.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

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Re: Satan
« Reply #2 on: September 28, 2020, 01:00:31 PM »
HI Chris
As requested I have split the topic of on another tangent have you ever considered that all tangents begin in Genesis bit like a big tree that keeps growing into something beautiful.
The first mention of satan is in Genesis as the serpent who decieved Eve but of course he existed before that he was created as an angel  of light for what perpose was it Gods intention to use him for creation but sin was found in him and he wanted to do it his way.
Its interesting to note that in the creation of Israel its always the youngest son who is chosen is this a reflection of the Heavenly  Christ is given the job to put things right that saten had spoiled.

Love and peace
Dave

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Re: Satan
« Reply #3 on: September 28, 2020, 02:42:12 PM »
HI Chris
As requested I have split the topic of on another tangent have you ever considered that all tangents begin in Genesis bit like a big tree that keeps growing into something beautiful.
The first mention of satan is in Genesis as the serpent who decieved Eve but of course he existed before that he was created as an angel  of light for what perpose was it Gods intention to use him for creation but sin was found in him and he wanted to do it his way.
Its interesting to note that in the creation of Israel its always the youngest son who is chosen is this a reflection of the Heavenly  Christ is given the job to put things right that saten had spoiled.

Love and peace
Dave

Hello @davetaff,

Thank you for creating a thread for the purpose of considering the subject of Satan,  though responding to two threads with differing subjects at the same time is a big ask.  :D

As those who now live in a very different world to that depicted in Scripture, it is impossible to visualise the events prophesied for a time yet to come.  In these days when communication between countries via a mobile phone is just the typing of a few digits away, and video links are now commonplace.  Where transportation from country to country is made so easy, and language barriers appear to be non-existent.  Yet those superficial differences do not hide the fact that mankind has not changed.  Similar questions are still being asked, about life and death, and the meaning of things, aren't they?

As to Satan: the Hebrew word translated 'Satan' means 'adversary', as you will know.  In Zechariah 3:1 'Satan standing at his right hand to resist him', the Hebrew word is seen in it's two forms, 'Satan' the noun, and 'satan' the verb 'to resist'. Throughout Scripture we see him 'resisting' and 'withstanding' (Numbers 22:32) the work of God.  As you say, the question is why he is allowed to do so?  If there is an answer given to that question in Scripture, we may find it during the course of this study, but if there is not, it is not for us to conjecture, is it?

The 'serpent' of Genesis 3 and Romans 16:20, the 'dragon' of Revelation 12:9, 'the Devil' of the New Testament, are all Satan.  The Scripture does not tell us 'Why' or 'How' he comes into God's creation: but recognises his presence and his power, and thereby reveals the conflict of the ages taking place beneath the events of history. However we are also assured of God's ultimate victory, and of Satan's undoubted end, aren't we?

In Ezekiel 28, the sin and judgement of the king of Tyre portrays the position and fall of Satan.
At his creation he was 'perfect', but the sin of 'Pride' was his downfall (1 Timothy 3:6).
He is also a 'slanderer', and a 'talebearer': He slandered God.

* This again is a bigger subject than it seems at first glance, and cannot dealt with in just one entry.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

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Re: Satan
« Reply #4 on: September 29, 2020, 10:34:02 AM »
Hello again,

The Scriptures do not consider the problem of evil, they face it's fact, and it's presence, and point to the one and only means of deliverance from it's bondage.  Each and every believer in the Lord Jesus Christ knows this deliverance in his own life, and can praise God for it.  In the opening verses of Ephesians chapter 2, we can see clearly what we have been delivered from and how:-

'And you hath He quickened, (made alive)
.. who were dead in trespasses and sins;
.... Wherein in time past ye walked
...... according to the course of this world,
........ according to the prince of the power of the air,
.......... the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
............ Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh,
.............. fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind;
................ and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
But God, Who is rich in mercy,
.. for His great love wherewith He loved us,
.... Even when we were dead in sins,
...... hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)
And hath raised us up together,
.. and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
.... That in the ages to come He might shew
...... the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
For by grace are ye saved through faith;
.. and that not of yourselves:
.... it is the gift of God:
...... Not of works, lest any man should boast.
........ For we are His workmanship,
.......... created in Christ Jesus unto good works,
............ which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.'

(Eph 2:1-10) 

Praise God!

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

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Re: Satan
« Reply #5 on: September 29, 2020, 10:57:18 AM »
Hi there,

Looking at Genesis 3, we see 'the serpent' at the beginning: of 'his seed' in the middle (Genesis 3:15): and of 'the cherubim' at the end (Genesis 3:24).  With this in mind and turning to Ezekiel 28, we will see the one who in the beginning was 'The Anointed Cherub', but who fell (Ezekiel 28:14). This happened before the  foundation of the world. Reading this we can understand why the serpent was so ready with the baited words, 'Ye shall be as gods'in Genesis 3:5, for he had said in his heart, 'I am a god (Ezekiel 28:2)', but we also learn that there will be a time when this mighty spirit will be 'no more'(Ezekiel 28:19).

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris






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Re: Satan
« Reply #6 on: October 01, 2020, 11:39:06 AM »
Hello there,

I miss @Christianna, for she would have responded.  Why do so few take part in the threads? For members names appear as having visited the site regularly, yet I find no record of them taking part.

Chris

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Re: Satan
« Reply #7 on: October 01, 2020, 01:03:15 PM »
Hi Chris
Thank you for your posts  and scriptures very enlightening  of course it was not only satan that fell he took others with him.

  the sons of God saw that the daughters of man were attractive. And they took as their wives any they chose. Then the Lord said, ?My Spirit shall not abide in man forever, for he is flesh: his days shall be 120 years.? The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of man and they bore children to them. These were the mighty men who were of old, the men of renown.
Genesis 6:2-‬4 ESV
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This was the prime reason God would destroy the first creation and these sons of God would be placed in chains kept  to the day of judgement.
We still have the problem why God allowed satan to continue to decieve the human race until the millennium.

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Dave
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