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Offline John

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Re: the millenium
« Reply #24 on: October 09, 2020, 07:10:42 PM »
A question for you all.
                                     Where in Revelation does it say that what is discribed is literally real?

Is there really a sword coming out of Jesus's myth, does he really stand like a dead lamb n God's tribe, are there Luke her that throne, etc etc ec.
If these and so many other word pictures are not literal why do you think the 1,k ears is anything but symbolic?

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Re: the millenium
« Reply #25 on: October 10, 2020, 11:44:55 AM »
A question for you all.
                                     Where in Revelation does it say that what is discribed is literally real?

Is there really a sword coming out of Jesus's myth, does he really stand like a dead lamb n God's tribe, are there Luke her that throne, etc etc ec.
If these and so many other word pictures are not literal why do you think the 1,k ears is anything but symbolic?

Hi John
Thank you for the question there is very little in revelations  that can be seen as literally  real the sword that comes from the mouth of our Lord is the word of God with it he will smite the nations and put all things under his feet.
It is his weapon  of choice with it he will put down all opposition and destroy the devil.

        For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart.
Hebrews 4:12 ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/heb.4.12.ESV   


As for a 1000 years being 1 day St Peter makes this as plain as day why people don't  believe  it is beyond  me.

        But do not overlook this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you,  not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance.
2 Peter 3:8-‬9 ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/2pe.3.8-9.ESV       


Looking the first line do not overlook this one fact the fact is one day with the Lord is as a thousand years its as plain as day believe it.

            Blessed and holy is the one who shares in the first resurrection! Over such the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and they will reign with him for a thousand years.
Revelation 20:6 ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/rev.20.6.ESV               And he seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years,
Revelation 20:2 ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/rev.20.2.ESV         


The above text makes it as plain as day Christ will reign for a 1000 years which is 1 day on Gods time line.

Love and Peace
Dave
https://bible.com/bible/59/heb.4.12.ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/2pe.3.8-9.ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/rev.20.6.ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/rev.20.2.ESV

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Re: the millenium
« Reply #26 on: October 10, 2020, 04:57:34 PM »
It makes nothing plane.
All Peter is saying is that God is outside time. Revelation uses as you acknowledge lots of symbols. The thousand years is as much a symbol as the sword in Jesus's mouth being the word of God.

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Re: the millenium
« Reply #27 on: October 11, 2020, 01:58:16 PM »
Hi John
Thanks for your reply I take it you did not read what St Peter wrote so here it is again.

        But do not overlook this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you,  not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance.
2 Peter 3:8-‬9 ESV   


He wrote this as a fact with God a day is 1000 years long if you want conformation read the following.

      Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.  And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
Revelation 20:6-‬7 KJV
https://bible.com/bible/1/rev.20.6-7.KJV       


The above states categorically that Christ shall reign for 1000 years and if you are willing to accept it this is the last day of this creation.

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Dave
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Re: the millenium
« Reply #28 on: October 11, 2020, 04:29:31 PM »
Dave, if 1k years is the same as one day and one day is the same as 1k years as the passage says then it is saying God is out side time.
As for revelation, please say how you determine what is symbolic and what is literal?


Is the devil literally bound with a chain and literally locked away in a pit?

Or is this all dramatic picture language of things neither John nor us can really understand.

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Re: the millenium
« Reply #29 on: October 11, 2020, 05:09:00 PM »
Dave, if 1k years is the same as one day and one day is the same as 1k years as the passage says then it is saying God is out side time.
As for revelation, please say how you determine what is symbolic and what is literal?


Is the devil literally bound with a chain and literally locked away in a pit?

Or is this all dramatic picture language of things neither John nor us can really understand.

Hi John
Thank you for your reply the above scripture I posted says absolutely nothing about God being out side time God may well be outside time but this scripture dose not support is as far as I can see it jest says a Days with the Lord is a 1000 years.

How the devil is put away dose not matter the main point is he will be put securely  away until the end of the millennium.

Another word for picture language is parables

Mat_13:35  This was to fulfill what was spoken by the prophet: ?I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter what has been hidden since the foundation of the world.?

 Luk_8:10  he said, ?To you it has been given to know the secrets of the kingdom of God, but for others they are in parables, so that ?seeing they may not see, and hearing they may not understand.?     


So nothing is straightforward we must look at everything and think about it and pray for guidance 

Luk_12:2  Nothing is covered up that will not be revealed, or hidden that will not be known.     

Love and Peace
Dave

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Re: the millenium
« Reply #30 on: October 18, 2020, 06:42:18 PM »
That will not do Dave, either the 1k years is real as the chain binding the devil or they are both figurative.

It is not good enough to play fast and loose with scripture..

As for God being out side of time.
If he is not how an a day equal a thousand years or a thousand years equal a day if he is subject to time?

Explain please.

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« Reply #31 on: October 19, 2020, 12:49:51 PM »
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That will not do Dave, either the 1k years is real as the chain binding the devil or they are both figurative.
   hi John
Thank you for your reply St Peter tells us  categorically  that with God a day is a thousand years   the scripture also tell us that Christ will reign here on earth for a thousand years  we are also told the devil will be locked away until the end of the milleinm all these scriptures are statement of fact in my opinion
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It is not good enough to play fast and loose with scripture..

  I don't think I am playing fast and loose I am only giving my opinion on how the scripture speek to me  I nearly always give scripture to support what I say if you have a better explanation please give it         

As for God being out side of time.
If he is not how an a day equal a thousand years or a thousand years equal a day if he is subject to time?

Explain please.
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God is eternal no beginning and no end of days why would he be interested in time but he knows we humans have an interest  in time our time is limited the reason he tells us about the thousand year day is so we can understand his creation of man in his image which began with Noah it would take 7000 years including the millenium the first Adam is Israel the last Adam is Jesus Christ the whole of scripture  is about creation.
I have wondered  about all the stories in the OT are they forms of parables  written in the lives of the people   

Love andPeace
Dave

 

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