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Re: the millenium
« Reply #16 on: September 29, 2020, 04:33:05 PM »
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... Made me think of Romans 11 and the branches being broken of and branches being grafted in will we all be part of the same tree in the end times then we have.

For thy Maker is thine husband; the Lord of hosts is his name;
and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel;
The God of the whole earth shall he be called.

Isaiah 54:5 KJV

Of course divorce is not an option but when Israel died in AD 70 our Lord was free to marry whom he will but in the last time when Israel is raised to life and we all belong to the same tree will our lord be the husband of the whole tree.
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... Thank you for your reply what I ment was Israel as a nation ceased to exist within  the borders  of its own land Israel as a nation was dead.
The Jews were scattered  throughout the nations of the world but as a nation they did no exist they were dead.

Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ;
that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead,
that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

Romans 7:4 KJV 

As we read in my previous post our Lord is Israels husband and the only way he can marry another is if his first wife dies according  to the law so Israel had to die or Christ would be a law breaker and thats not possible.

Now in these last times we see Israel raised from the dead all that remains is for Israel as a nation to accept Jesus as their King.
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... Thanks for your reply but you have not addressed the question of if Israel has not died then Christ cannot marry his bride the church he would be a bigamist a law breaker.
Or do you think Christ is not under the law when the man of God will be obedient  to the law.

Hello @davetaff

* God refers to Himself as a 'Husband' in Isaiah 54:5, Jeremiah 3:14 & 20; Jeremiah 31:32 Ezekiel; 16:32; Hosea 2:2: 
* In Jeremiah 3:8 & 20 God says He has given Israel (the northern kingdom) a bill of divorce because of her adultery.

* These verses obviously have to be read in their context in order to understand what is truly being said: for we must not go beyond what is written, or lean to our own understanding.

* I apologize that this is so short and insubstantial, but I am not able to do more than this at the moment.   :D

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Chris


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Re: the millenium
« Reply #17 on: September 30, 2020, 10:56:32 AM »
Hello again,
 
I confess that I find it hard to understand what is incorporated into this initial 1000 year reign of Christ, and therefore I am feeling my way into the subject.  For as I have said in a previous entry, it would be so easy to introduce prophetic events into this period which have their fulfillment in the period following it.

So, if others have any input to provide, that's fine, but I am going to take my time to get it right this time.

Thank you
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Chris

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Re: the millenium
« Reply #18 on: September 30, 2020, 12:53:19 PM »
Hello again,
 
I confess that I find it hard to understand what is incorporated into this initial 1000 year reign of Christ, and therefore I am feeling my way into the subject.  For as I have said in a previous entry, it would be so easy to introduce prophetic events into this period which have their fulfillment in the period following it.

So, if others have any input to provide, that's fine, but I am going to take my time to get it right this time.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

Hi Chris
Thanks for your post  the way I have understood  the millenium is it is the end of this creation that began with Noahs flood it will end when Christ hands everything  back to the father who will then create a new heaven and earth what that means I do not know we are not told and there are no prophecies about it.
What concerns us is this creation I believe there are three creations from the beginning to the flood from the flood to the end of the millenium  then the new creation that God will create.

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Re: the millenium
« Reply #19 on: September 30, 2020, 03:28:56 PM »
Hello @davetaff,

I will not comment on your post if you don't mind, for what I am concerned with is what is actually written concerning this period of 1000 years, which we know of as the Millennium.  That word is not used in Scripture, but is a description which has become commonplace, but describes only the first 1,000 years of the reign of Christ, which is described in Revelation 20:1-10, and is the period in which the Overcomers reign with Christ. 

* The reign of Christ commences with the coming of Christ and the end of Gentile dominion, goes on unbroken - [it shall never be destroyed, and shall never pass away - Daniel 2:44; 7:14 & 27] - until the Son having put all things under His feet - [for He 'must reign' until this is accomplished (1 Corinthians 15:25-26), which reaches to the Great White Throne judgment and beyond] - delivers up the kingdom to God, even the Father, that God may be all in all.  This is the reign of Christ, the Millennial reign being but a portion of it, and possibly a small portion at that.

* What comes to an end at the end of the 1,000 years is the reign of the Overcomers.

* The day of the Lord is to be succeeded by the day of God, just as the kingdom of David characterised by the presence of the enemy and of war, was succeeded by the kingdom of Solomon which was characterised by 'Peace'. 

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Re: the millenium
« Reply #20 on: September 30, 2020, 04:29:40 PM »
Hello again @davetaff,

As has been said in a previous entry, the 1,000 years begins with Satan being restrained, and ends with Satan being released for 'a little season', who incites rebellion among the nations through deception.  The nations are called Gog and Magog, and inhabit the four quarters of the earth, whereas Israel occupies, I believe, 'the beloved city', and form 'the camp of the saints' (Revelation 20:9). 

Gog and Magog

'And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
Son of man, set thy face against Gog, the land of Magog,
the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him, ... '

(Ezekiel 38:1-2) 

* In association with Gog and Magog, are Persia, Ethiopia, Libya, Gomer and all his bands, the house of Togarmah of the north quarters and all his bands; and many people with thee (Ezekiel 38:5-6),  This invasion by these hordes will be met by the Lord Himself.

'And I will turn thee back,
and put hooks into thy jaws,' 

(Ezekiel 38:4a) 

'And it shall come to pass at the same time
when Gog shall come against the land of Israel,
saith the Lord GOD,
that My fury shall come up in My Face.'

(Ezekiel 38:18) 

'Thou shalt fall upon the mountains of Israel, thou, and all thy bands,
and the people that is with thee:
I will give thee unto the ravenous birds of every sort,
and to the beasts of the field to be devoured.
Thou shalt fall upon the open field: for I have spoken it, saith the Lord GOD.
And I will send a fire on Magog,
and among them that dwell carelessly in the isles:
and they shall know that I am the LORD.'

(Ezekiel 39:4-6) 
 
'And it shall come to pass in that day,
that I will give unto Gog a place there of graves in Israel,
the valley of the passengers on the east of the sea:
and it shall stop the noses of the passengers:
and there shall they bury Gog and all his multitude:
and they shall call it The valley of Hamongog.
And seven months shall the house of Israel be burying of them,
that they may cleanse the land.'

(Ezekiel 39:11-12) 

'And, thou son of man, thus saith the Lord GOD;
Speak unto every feathered fowl, and to every beast of the field,
Assemble yourselves, and come;
gather yourselves on every side to My sacrifice that I do sacrifice for you,
even a great sacrifice upon the mountains of Israel,
that ye may eat flesh, and drink blood.
Ye shall eat the flesh of the mighty,
and drink the blood of the princes of the earth,
of rams, of lambs, and of goats, of bullocks,
all of them fatlings of Bashan.'

(Ezekiel 39:17-18)   

* Revelation 19:17-21 is an obvious parallel passage to this.  There again we can see the call to the fowls to eat the flesh of captains and kings.  Here the warring hosts are gathered by the Beast who is cast into the lake of fire.

* The 'Millennium' is bounded on each side by an invading army, led either by the Beast, or deceived by Satan; either gathered against 'Him that sat on the horse' (Revelation 19:19), or 'against the beloved city and the camp of the saints' (Revelation 20:9); and both end in fire, being destroyed as were the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah.  If only a handful of rebels were discovered at the close of the thousand years, it would cause us to question the idea of universal peace or righteousness; but this is no 'handful'.  The number is said to be 'as the sand of the sea' (Revelation 20:8 ), which cannot be numbered.

* This innumerable host go 'up on the breadth of the earth' (Revelation 20:9), and even though this should be limited to the 'land' of Palestine the implication is obviously the same as in Isaiah 8:8 and Habbakkuk 1:8 where the overwhelming nature of the invasion is thereby depicted.

'And he shall pass through Judah; he shall overflow and go over, he shall reach even to the neck;
and the stretching out of his wings shall fill the breadth of thy land, O Immanuel.'

(Isaiah 8:8 )
 
'Their horses also are swifter than the leopards, and are more fierce than the evening wolves:
and their horsemen shall spread themselves, and their horsemen shall come from far;
they shall fly as the eagle that hasteth to eat.'

(Habakkuk 1:8 )

* So no private interpretation, and no wishful thinking can alter the fact, that the 1000 year reign of the Overcomers with Christ ends, as it began with a terrible rebellion.  The Millennium is not the FIRST of a new series, but the LAST of an old one, in which man has been tested under different forms of government, and in every case been found wanting.  This Millennial kingdom is the last of delegated authority.  David may have reigned on earth as a Vice-Regent, the Twelve Apostles may have sat on twelve thrones judging the Twelve tribes of Israel (Matthew 19:28), the Overcomers may have reigned as Priests of God and of Christ, but all in vain.  Christ must put down ALL AUTHORITY, whether good or bad, and reign alone and supreme if ever the goal of the ages is  to be reached.

Praise God!     For His will, will be done.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

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Re: the millenium
« Reply #21 on: October 01, 2020, 01:31:38 PM »
Hi Chris
Thank you for your reply pretty frightening scriptures but of course we are looking at a relatively short time at the end of the millenium when satan is released the reason for this is we all have to pass the final  test of our love.

When this has passed the following will take place.

     Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and the sea was no more. And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, ?Behold, the dwelling place of God is with man. He will dwell with them, and they will be his people, and God himself will be with them as their God.  He will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death shall be no more, neither shall there be mourning, nor crying, nor pain anymore, for the former things have passed away.?  And he who was seated on the throne said, ?Behold, I am making all things new.? Also he said, ?Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true.? And he said to me, ?It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. To the thirsty I will give from the spring of the water of life without payment. The one who conquers will have this heritage, and I will be his God and he will be my son. But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.?
Revelation 21:1-‬8 ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/rev.21.1-8.ESV   


This will take place at the end of the 1000 year reign of our Lord
Jesus Christ when he hands everything  back to the Father and the new creation begins.

Love and Peace
Dave
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Re: the millenium
« Reply #22 on: October 06, 2020, 01:18:32 PM »
Hi
So we can have great confidence in the final outcome but of course a 1000 years is a very long time and a lot must happen within that time.
The first thing to happen is.

    For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.  For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:  Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord
Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
1 Thessalonians 4:18 KJV
https://bible.com/bible/1/1th.4.18.KJV
1 Thessalonians 4:15-‬17 KJV
https://bible.com/bible/1/1th.4.15-17.KJV           


What wonderful words from St Paul let us take great comfort  in these words knowing that they are close at hand.
This is the marriage  of the Lamb of God this is the spiritual temple of the Lord the new Jerusalem coming down from heaven whith the righteous judge who will judge the world.

Love and Peace
Dave
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https://bible.com/bible/1/1th.4.15-17.KJV

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Re: the millenium
« Reply #23 on: October 08, 2020, 01:28:53 PM »
Hi
So lets look at the purpose  of the millenium.

     
    Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
Acts 17:31 KJV
https://bible.com/bible/1/act.17.31.KJV       [/color         


The day mentioned here is the millennium 1000 years long the man of course Jesus Christ but Christ shall not judge alone.

     Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
1 Corinthians 6:2 KJV
https://bible.com/bible/1/1co.6.2.KJV         


St Paul here makes it plain that the saints shall also judge the world but we must be careful and follow these wise words from St paul.

      Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God.
1 Corinthians 4:5 KJV
https://bible.com/bible/1/1co.4.5.KJV       


Love and Peace
Dave

https://bible.com/bible/1/act.17.31.KJV
https://bible.com/bible/1/1co.6.2.KJV
https://bible.com/bible/1/1co.4.5.KJV

 

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