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the millenium
« on: September 26, 2020, 02:36:02 PM »
Hi Chris
Thank you for your reply interesting and good scripture thought provoking
I believe  that the millennium is the Fathers sabbath rest where he hands over everything  to the Son to finish the creation which is mankind in the image of God.
This is why Christ will reign for a 1000 years with the resurrected  Israel  and the church of Christ which all belong to the same tree the tree of knowledge.
At the end of the millennium  everything  will be handed back to the Farther which is the end of creation man ( mankind ) in the image of God everyone loving  God and each other and able to look after this wonderful creation God has created for us.

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Dave
Hello @davetaff,

Thank you for responding. 

I don't profess to understand the Millennial reign, but I do know that it is the Overcomers who will reign with Christ for 1,000 years, for the Lord's reign will continue on beyond that period.

As to the understanding you have expressed concerning this, perhaps another thread is necessary to discuss it further.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

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Re: the millenium
« Reply #1 on: September 26, 2020, 02:50:36 PM »
Hi Chris
as requested of course the millennium is a big subject it is the final faze in the creation account in Genesis the 7th day that's according to me of course.
the question is what is its purpose what will Christ be doing for 1000 years and why what is it's purpose what will be the end result Why will God the Father accept from the hand of Christ.
enough questions for now lets try and find some answers.

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Re: the millenium
« Reply #2 on: September 26, 2020, 03:17:18 PM »
Hi Chris
as requested of course the millennium is a big subject it is the final faze in the creation account in Genesis the 7th day that's according to me of course.
the question is what is its purpose what will Christ be doing for 1000 years and why what is it's purpose what will be the end result Why will God the Father accept from the hand of Christ.
enough questions for now lets try and find some answers.

Love and Peace
Dave   

Hello @davetaff,

The positive teaching concerning the Millennium is confined to ten verses of Scripture, namely Revelation 20:1-10.  All else must agree with what is revealed there before it can be included in that prophetic period.  So I will quoted it, for reference as we proceed.

'And I saw an angel come down from heaven,
.. having the key of the bottomless pit
.... and a great chain in his hand.
And he laid hold on the dragon,
.. that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan,
.... and bound him a thousand years,
...... and cast him into the bottomless pit,
........ and shut him up,
.......... and set a seal upon him,
............ that he should deceive the nations no more,
.............. till the thousand years should be fulfilled:
................ and after that he must be loosed a little season.

Rev. 20:1-3)

'And I saw thrones,
.. and they sat upon them,
.... and judgment was given unto them:
...... and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded
........ for the witness of Jesus,
.......... and for the word of God,
............ and which had not worshipped the beast,
.............. neither his image,
................ neither had received his mark upon their foreheads,
.................. or in their hands;
.................... and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

(Rev. 20:4)
 
'But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished.
.. This is the first resurrection.
.... Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection:
...... on such the second death hath no power,
........ but they shall be priests of God and of Christ,
.......... and shall reign with Him a thousand years.

(Rev. 20:5-6)   

'And when the thousand years are expired,
.. Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
.... And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog,
...... to gather them together to battle:
........ the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
And they went up on the breadth of the earth,
.. and compassed the camp of the saints about,
.... and the beloved city:
...... and fire came down from God out of heaven,
........ and devoured them.
And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone,
.. where the beast and the false prophet are,
.... and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.'

(Rev 20:7-10)   

* This at least is clear and straightforward, and needs no explanation.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

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Re: the millenium
« Reply #3 on: September 26, 2020, 03:38:28 PM »
Hello again,@ davetaff,

I thought it would be interesting to see just what was promised to the Overcomers:-

'He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches;
To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life,
which is in the midst of the paradise of God.'

(Rev. 2:7)
 
'He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches;
He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.'

(Rev. 2:11)
 
'He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches;
To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna,
and will give him a white stone,
and in the stone a new name written,
which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.'

(Rev. 2:17) 

'And he that overcometh,
and keepeth my works unto the end,
to him will I give power over the nations:'
And he shall rule them with a rod of iron;
as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers:
even as I received of My Father.
And I will give him the morning star.

(Rev. 2:26-28) 

'He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment;
and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life,
but I will confess his name before My Father, and before His angels.'

(Rev. 3:5)
 
'Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of My God,
and he shall go no more out:
and I will write upon him the name of My God,
and the name of the city of My God,
which is new Jerusalem,
which cometh down out of heaven from My God:
and I will write upon him My new name.'

(Rev. 3:12)
 
'To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in My throne,
even as I also overcame,
and am set down with My Father in His throne.'

(Rev. 3:21)
 
'He that overcometh shall inherit all things;
and I will be his God, and he shall be My son.'

(Rev. 21:7 )

In Christ Jesus
Chris

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Re: the millenium
« Reply #4 on: September 26, 2020, 05:03:44 PM »
Hi Chris
as requested of course the millennium is a big subject it is the final faze in the creation account in Genesis the 7th day that's according to me of course.
the question is what is its purpose what will Christ be doing for 1000 years and why what is it's purpose what will be the end result Why will God the Father accept from the hand of Christ.
enough questions for now lets try and find some answers.

Love and Peace
Dave   

Hello @davetaff.

You have suggested 4 questions to be answered in relation to the Millennium, perhaps they will be answered during this thread.  As to the first of those questions, 'What was the purpose of the Millennium?'

* The millennium is the 'sabbath rest' for the People of God, of which Genesis 2:3 is the type.

* I believe that the 1000 year reign is the reward for the Overcomers, who were beheaded for bearing witness to the testimony of Jesus, and for the word of God during the tribulation period: who will not worshipped the Beast, or his image, nor bare his mark in their heads or their hands.  They will be resurrected in the first of two resurrections spoken of in relation to this period, the one taking place before the 1000 years, and the other afterwards.  They will be called, 'Blessed' and 'Holy' for being so honoured as to be part of this first resurrection, and will be given thrones to sit on in company with the Father and Christ (Revelation 8:21).  For them the second death holds no power.  This 1,000 year period is only a part of the reign of Christ.

* Satan's influence and deception will be noticeable by it's absence during this time, for he will be confined in the bottomless pit, and released only to try the nations at the close of this time.

* Christ will reign with a rod of iron during this period. Further detail will have to be carefully searched out.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

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Re: the millenium
« Reply #5 on: September 26, 2020, 05:34:38 PM »
Hello again, @davetaff,

The first characteristic of this time, is mention of the bottomless pit, in which Satan is said to be 'bound'.  The word, 'abyss' (or pit) is found seven times in the book of Revelation.  In Revelation 9:1-2 & 11, 11:7, 17:8, 20:1-3.

'And the fifth angel sounded,
and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth:
and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.
And he opened the bottomless pit;
and there arose a smoke out of the pit,
as the smoke of a great furnace;
and the sun and the air were darkened
by reason of the smoke of the pit.'

(Rev 9:1-2) 

'And they had a king over them,
which is the angel of the bottomless pit,
whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon,
but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.'

(Rev 9:11)

'And when they shall have finished their testimony,
the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit
shall make war against them,
and shall overcome them,
and kill them.'

(Rev 11:7) 

'The beast that thou sawest was, and is not;
and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit,
and go into perdition:
and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder,
whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world,
when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.'

(Rev 17:8 )   

'And I saw an angel come down from heaven,
having the key of the bottomless pit
and a great chain in his hand.
And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan,
and bound him a thousand years,
And cast him into the bottomless pit,
and shut him up,
and set a seal upon him,
that he should deceive the nations no more,
till the thousand years should be fulfilled:
and after that he must be loosed a little season.'

(Rev 20:1-2) 
 
* I agree that the millennium is the sabbath rest remaining for the children of God, of which the seventh day of Genesis 2:3 is the type.
However, Satan will unwillingly keep that 'sabbath' rest imprisoned in the bottomless pit.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris


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Re: the millenium
« Reply #6 on: September 27, 2020, 12:13:24 PM »
'Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection:
on such the second death hath no power,
but they shall be priests of God and of Christ,
and shall reign with Him a thousand years.'

(Rev 20:6)   

Hello @davetaff,

These 'priests of God and of Christ' who 'reign with Him' are not an earthly priesthood, they are heavenly, and minister and reign from their exalted position in the Heavenly Jerusalem.

Heaven has its 'Temple' (Revelation 11:19; 15:5-8). and its 'Ark' (Rev. 11:19), its 'Altar' (Rev. 8:3). its 'Incense' (Rev. 8:3,4) and consequently has a heavenly priesthood. 

The 'overcomer', his suffering, his endurance, his deliverance and his reign as a priest with Christ in the heavenly Jerusalem, is the theme of the Apocalypse, and limits the use of the word 'millennium' so much that every passage from either the Old or New Testament which is labelled 'Millennial' by countless commentators, must be challenged, in case we, by a zeal without knowledge were to rob the Millennium of its distinctive character and be found entertaining instead a vision of our own hearts.

The 'nations', the 'camp of the saints' and the 'beloved city' are of necessity on the earth during the Millennial reign, but have no such distinct place in it as do these overcomers. 


Thank you.
In Christ Jesus
Chris

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Re: the millenium
« Reply #7 on: September 27, 2020, 12:31:56 PM »
'Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection:
on such the second death hath no power,
but they shall be priests of God and of Christ,
and shall reign with Him a thousand years.'

(Rev 20:6)
   
Hello again, @davetaff,

These overcomers are called, 'priests of God and of Christ'.  There is a need to discriminate between the restored nation which will be a priestly nation on the earth, and this company of priests which exercise their priesthood in the Heavenly City. 

At the foot of mount Sinai, the whole nation were given the terms by which they could become 'a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation'.  Those terms none have ever kept; with those conditions no one has ever complied (Exodus 19:5-6).  Isaiah, visualizing not the old covenant, but the 'everlasting covenant' (Isaiah 61:8 ) looking down the age beholds Israel restored, having the oil of joy instead of mourning, rebuilt and raised up and repaired (Isaiah 61:3-4), and named 'The Priests of the Lord; men shall call you the Ministers of our God ... the seed which the Lord hath blessed' (Isaiah 61:6-9).

Just as the restored earthly Jerusalem will have a resemblance to the Heavenly City, with its foundations of sapphires, and its gates of agates (Isaiah 54:11-12), so at the close of Isaiah 61 this restored priestly nation is likened to a bridegroom or to a bride.  This must not lead us to confuse this company with 'the Bride of the Lamb' (Revelation 19:7), for Isaiah 54:6-8 makes it clear that Israel is as a as a 'woman forsaken' and a 'wife of youth' who had been refused; whereas the Bride, the Lamb's wife, is not the nation of Israel, once divorced but now restored, but a company of overcomers whose seat of authority is not the earthly but the heavenly Jerusalem, a company that had never known divorcement. 

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

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