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Offline John

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Re: The law
« Reply #8 on: September 16, 2020, 09:34:10 PM »
In the OT it is clear that the ceremonial law applies to Israel, while it is equally clear that the ten commandments apply to everyone.


Yes those who do not have the ten commandments will be judged on how they have lived by there obedience to it and by what they do in accordance to it.
                                        But you forget the Bible says that there is no one who has done what is right and all have sinned.
There is only one solution to sin, Jesus and if people do not accept Jesus there is no resolution to their sin which means they can only face judgement and condemnation.

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« Reply #9 on: September 17, 2020, 11:38:59 AM »
In the OT it is clear that the ceremonial law applies to Israel, while it is equally clear that the ten commandments apply to everyone.

  do you have any scripture to back this up           


Yes those who do not have the ten commandments will be judged on how they have lived by there obedience to it and by what they do in accordance to it.
                                        But you forget the Bible says that there is no one who has done what is right and all have sinned.
There is only one solution to sin, Jesus and if people do not accept Jesus there is no resolution to their sin which means they can only face judgement and condemnation.

Yes John you are right Jesus is the solution no question to be saved everyone must know who Jesus is and what he has done.
I believe this will be achieved  in Christs millenial reign the question being why will he reign for 1000 years over whom will he reign for what purpose I would say to give everyone who as everlived the opportunity  to know him and to make the choice to accept or reject him.
At the end of the millennium  Christ hands everythig back to the Father and he can only do this if everything  is perfect without sin.

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Dave

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« Reply #10 on: September 17, 2020, 12:49:22 PM »
The ceremonial law was given through Moses to Israel, the nation of Israel had to follow it.
Jesus when he proclaimed on the cross was announcing that he had fulfilled, had finished the her for the ceremonial law with its requirements of animal sacrifice.

Dave I repeat if you disagree with this, then you need to make public how you obey All the ceremonial requirements of the law, animal sacrifice, dietary requirements etc etc et .

As too the second coming I start and finish with Jesus is coming again.
I have nothing to do with the nonsense put out about 1k rules etc.

They all forget that revelation is picture language.

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« Reply #11 on: September 18, 2020, 11:44:37 AM »
hi John
Hope you don't  mind me spliting the topic thought it was getting the other thread to far of track.

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    Dave I repeat if you disagree with this, then you need to make public how you obey All the ceremonial requirements of the law, animal sacrifice, dietary requirements etc etc et           

I thought our Lord had already  answered this question.

    Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.   This is the first and great commandment.   And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.   On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
Matthew 22:37-‬40 KJV           


We keep all the laws given to Israel by obeying these commands its through Love we comply with the law as did our Lord.

Then we have.

     For it is written in the law of Moses, Thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen?  Or saith he it altogether for our sakes? For our sakes, no doubt, this is written: that he that ploweth should plow in hope; and that he that thresheth in hope should be partaker of his hope.
1 Corinthians 9:9-‬10 KJV
https://bible.com/bible/1/1co.9.9-10.KJV     


Here St Paul takes this obscure  little law and applies it to those preaching the gospel  And asked the question dose God care for oxen.
This begs the question dose the rest of the law have higher meaning if so what.

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Dave
https://bible.com/bible/1/1co.9.9-10.KJV

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« Reply #12 on: September 18, 2020, 12:38:00 PM »
Dave,
       You have not faced up to the fact that there are two aspects to the law, the ceremonial law and the moral law and you are mixing the two up.

Your quote does not refer to the ceremonial law. It is a direct reference to the moral law.

Do you keep the ceremonial law I have asked this three times now?

Do you keep the kosher food laws?

Can you say why Paul is only referring to the moral law?

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« Reply #13 on: September 18, 2020, 01:43:25 PM »
Dave,
       You have not faced up to the fact that there are two aspects to the law, the ceremonial law and the moral law and you are mixing the two up.

on what scripture do you dase this statement

Your quote does not refer to the ceremonial law. It is a direct reference to the moral law.

        On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets

Did you not read this line it says all the law and the prophets vertually the whole OT there is no division  of the law


Do you keep the ceremonial law I have asked this three times now?

Do you keep the kosher food laws?

l try to keep the commands of our lord to love God and love my neighbour if I succeed I comply with the law 

Can you say why Paul is only referring to the moral law?

   where dose it say he his         


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« Reply #14 on: September 18, 2020, 11:03:09 PM »
Dave,
          You have admitted that you do not follow either the ceremonial law nor the dietary laws so asking me to prove what you do not keep is silly.

Jesus never spoke about the ceremonial law in a way that said it had to be kept.
But he always said that the moral law was to be kept.

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« Reply #15 on: September 19, 2020, 01:14:09 PM »
Dave,
          You have admitted that you do not follow either the ceremonial law nor the dietary laws so asking me to prove what you do not keep is silly.

Jesus never spoke about the ceremonial law in a way that said it had to be kept.
But he always said that the moral law was to be kept.


Hi John
I take it from that you do not have an answer on the other hand we have these words God spoke to Noah.

      Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you. And as I gave you the green plants, I give you everything.
Genesis 9:3 ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/gen.9.3.ESV   


So according to this I can eat anything I like the only restriction is blood then we have these words from our lord.

     And he called the people to him and said to them, ?Hear and understand:  it is not what goes into the mouth that defiles a person, but what comes out of the mouth; this defiles a person.?
Matthew 15:10-‬11 ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/mat.15.10-11.ESV/color

it seams to me what I eat or don't  eat is erelivant its what comes out of the mouth  thats important.
So this begs the question what are the dietary  laws  all about did God make a mistake with Noah did he change his mind with Israel I don't  think so.
So what are the dietry laws all about did Israel misunderstand them we also need to remember that the all the law was given to the son of God in the first instance   to Israel and then to our lord who was born a Jew.

Love and Peace
Dave


https://bible.com/bible/59/gen.9.3.ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/mat.15.10-11.ESV/color

 

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