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Re: The law
« Reply #16 on: September 19, 2020, 09:55:01 PM »
Dave,
        You do not understand that things change. Yes in genesis 9 every green thing was available as food, following the flood meat eating was permitted, and Moses passed on to a chosen people strict dietry rules which where part of the law given by God.
These and the ceremonial laws about sacrifice, hygiene, clothing etc where given to the Israelite nation.
We are not part of that nation so those laws do not apply to us, any more than the Roman laws from when they ruled British do not apply to us.
You have written about obedience to the law yet failed to say which set of laws, the implication you give is that Al the laws God gave to Israel have to be obeyed.
This is why I have repeatedly challenged you about what you follow.


May I suggest that you think carefully about which laws you follow.

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« Reply #17 on: September 20, 2020, 01:42:57 PM »
Hi John.
Thank you for your reply  I know exactly which laws I try hard to follow I have said several times so I say again.

     Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.   This is the first and great commandment.   And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.   On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets     

If we obey these commands from our Lord jesus we comply with all the law and the prophets and the way we accomplish  this is through LOVE.

In a previous  post you said.

[/quote]      the Israelite nation.
We are not part of that nation so those laws do not apply to us, any more than the           [/quote]

I suggest  you read the following

      But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, although a wild olive shoot, were grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing root of the olive tree, do not be arrogant toward the branches. If you are, remember it is not you who support the root, but the root that supports you. Then you will say, ?Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.? That is true. They were broken off because of their unbelief, but you stand fast through faith. So do not become proud, but fear. For if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you. Note then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God?s kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindness. Otherwise you too will be cut off. And even they, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God has the power to graft them in again. For if you were cut from what is by nature a wild olive tree, and grafted, contrary to nature, into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these, the natural branches, be grafted back into their own olive tree.   Lest you be wise in your own sight, I do not want you to be unaware of this mystery, brothers:  a partial hardening has come upon Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. And in this way all Israel will be saved, as it is written,  ?The Deliverer will come from Zion, he will banish ungodliness from Jacob?;
Romans 11:17-‬26 ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/rom.11.17-26.ESV   


We are grafted  into the tree that is Israel and all Israel will be saved


LOVE AND PEACE
Dave
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« Reply #18 on: September 20, 2020, 02:37:42 PM »
You might know which laws you are following or which laws you are writing about, but I don't, which is why I have pressed you about them.
You need to be far more clearer in your statements.

Being grafted into Israel has nothing to do with obedience to the law, unless you are going to do what I have repeatedly asked you to do and say what that law is.

All Israel will be saved. Yes the number determined by God will be saved, they will be All Israel.

Look at it history of the Israel exile and those who returned as All Israel, was that every living New living in exile or every New who wanted to return to Israel?

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« Reply #19 on: September 21, 2020, 05:32:37 PM »
Hi John
Thank you for your reply looks like you never read my previous post so i will say it again these are the laws I follow as given to us by our Lord Jesus Christ.

     Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.   This is the first and great commandment.   And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.   On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets       

what the dietary laws given to Israel are I don't have a clue I have read them but can't remember them  and that applies to most of the other laws But if I keep the two laws that our lord has given us then I keep the whole law it's simple enough Love is compliance with the whole law.

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« Reply #20 on: September 21, 2020, 06:35:29 PM »
Dave if you don't know what the laws of God are, don't talk about them.

What would you think of someone who when talking about driving also complains about having to employ someone to walk in front of them. Would you think they didn't know any about the highway code.

Just as we no longer have to have someone walking in front of us when driving a car so the ceremonial laws in the OT are not required to be followed by Christians.

That then leaves the moral law of the ten commandments summed up by the quotes from the OT Jesus made.
By seeking to obey them we show our love for God and fulfill the requirement to obey the ten commandments.

That is not obeying the whole lawbecause most of it is redundant.

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« Reply #21 on: September 22, 2020, 01:02:34 PM »
Hi John
Thanks for your reply I don't  need to remember all Gods laws can you what I do need to do is remember  how to obey the laws and Christ has made it easy for us when he said.

            Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.   This is the first and great commandment.   And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.   On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets       

I have posted this several times but it seams you choose to ignore it

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     That is not obeying the whole lawbecause most of it is redundant 
 

I think you need to read the following.

     Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.   For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.   Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Matthew 5:17-‬19 KJV
https://bible.com/bible/1/mat.5.17-19.KJV         


As you can see nothing shall pass from the law until the end of the world and everything contained in the law must be fulfilled which seams to indicated that the law is a type of prophecy.

If we fail to love God or our neighbour  we break the whole law and when we brake the law we sin.
Braking the law is not sowing love to our neighbour

Love and Peace
Dave


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« Reply #22 on: September 22, 2020, 07:10:03 PM »
Because when you use words like ' the whole law ' it literally means the whole law concerning dress, diet, sacrifice, feasts, offerings as well as the ten commandments. You seem to think that obeying the last fulfills all the others, because it doesn't.

Jesus in his cry, it is Finished he finished more than just paying for our sins, but also fulfilling the ceremonial, and the sacrificial laws rendering them obsolete.

You need to understand this fairly basic background information about Christianity.

Incidentally you pick and choose which laws you obey, not belonging to a local Christian church.

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« Reply #23 on: September 23, 2020, 10:51:08 AM »
Hi John
Thank you for your reply  I see you did not read the scriptures I posted so please read this part and tell me what it means.

    Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled         

To me this means nothing will pass from the law until  the end of the world what it all means I'm  not sure I do know there are many of the laws that make  good sense.
I do know if I brake any of the laws I commit a sin and I am not showing love to my neighbour.
Again I will ask you what dose Paul mean with this.

      For it is written in the law of Moses, Thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen?  Or saith he it altogether for our sakes? For our sakes, no doubt, this is written: that he that ploweth should plow in hope; and that he that thresheth in hope should be partaker of his hope.
1 Corinthians 9:9-‬10 KJV
https://bible.com/bible/1/1co.9.9-10.KJV     


Paul applies this obscure  law to himself and the apostles so should the rest of the law be used in like manner.

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Dave
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