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Online John

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The law
« on: September 13, 2020, 02:03:22 PM »
"what the law is all about is love if you comply with the law you show love to God " quote Dave'.

Sorry Dave the Laws primary purpose is holy living in obedience to God, that a secondary result is love for others is a bi product.

As Hebrew says, " without faith it is impossible to pleas God". Mere obedience to the law, unless it is 100% from birth to death signifies nothing except that one is a sinner.

Romans 3 points out that all the law does is identify sinners, it takes the grace of God accepted by sinners to save sinners.

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Re: The law
« Reply #1 on: September 13, 2020, 02:44:54 PM »
"what the law is all about is love if you comply with the law you show love to God " quote Dave'.

Sorry Dave the Laws primary purpose is holy living in obedience to God, that a secondary result is love for others is a bi product.

As Hebrew says, " without faith it is impossible to pleas God". Mere obedience to the law, unless it is 100% from birth to death signifies nothing except that one is a sinner.

Romans 3 points out that all the law does is identify sinners, it takes the grace of God accepted by sinners to save sinners.

Hi John
Thank you for your reply But I can't agree with

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that a secondary result is love for others is a bi product.   

Love can never be secondary it is the overriding message of scripture God is Love Love is the power that will save the world the law tells us what sin is and the only way we can comply with the law is through Love there is no other way.
you could say the law is an explanation of what love is and as followers of Christ we are required to Love God and our fellow man irrelevant of what he dose to us we should follow our example

Rom 5:8  but God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. 
   


Love and Peace
Dave


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Re: The law
« Reply #2 on: September 13, 2020, 07:51:59 PM »
You have ignored the quote from Hebrews. Do you really think that a non Christian keeping of the 10c actually changes anything?

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Re: The law
« Reply #3 on: September 14, 2020, 11:39:14 AM »
You have ignored the quote from Hebrews. Do you really think that a non Christian keeping of the 10c actually changes anything?

Hi John
Thank you for your reply  which quote are you referring  to as fore the law its not just the 10 commandments Israel  was given over 600 commands and the only person to keep all of them is Christ which makes him the perfect sacrifice  to take away the sins of the world.
I would say it would be impossible to comply with every law and if you broke one law you broke the whole law.
This is why Christ had to die such an horrific death to pay the price for all the sins committed  on the earth only the perfect lamb of God could do this and Christ was without sin because he complied with the whole law and was sinless.

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Re: The law
« Reply #4 on: September 14, 2020, 10:44:29 PM »
I agree whole heartedly with the later half of your post.

Break one law one has broken all the law and only Jesus could pay the price.

Now the law.
Surely you know that the ceremonial law only applied to the Jewish nation, while the moral law ( 10 C ) applies to everyone.

Which is why I dismissed love as of primary importance.
A kind loving person who does not know Jesus as Saviour and Lord is bound for hell. That he loved us irrelevant because his love is not centered in Jesus.

Our love as Christians is because Jesus loves us, so we in obedience to Jesus seek to love others.

Love is only of worth it it is centered on Jesus. Love without Jesus does not save.

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Re: The law
« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2020, 12:30:34 PM »
Hi John
Thanks for your reply  but I believe the whole law is relevant  the law let's us know what sin is and there is another aspect we need to consider.

      Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.   For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Matthew 5:17-‬18 KJV
https://bible.com/bible/1/mat.5.17-18.KJV   


Seams to me that the law is a prophecy and has all of it been fulfilled  ??

Then we have this

   (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.  For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:  Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)  In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.
Romans 2:13-‬16 KJV
https://bible.com/bible/1/rom.2.13-16.KJV     


So how do you think God will judge these who do not have the law but are doers of the law even today there are those who have never heard of the God of the bible or his son.

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Dave
https://bible.com/bible/1/mat.5.17-18.KJV
https://bible.com/bible/1/rom.2.13-16.KJV

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Re: The law
« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2020, 10:18:28 PM »
Get real Dave, do you keep all the ceremonial law, for example do you make a little booth and camp out for a week, do you ensure that you don't wear clothes made of a mix of fiber. Do you eat kosher food.

Only orthodox Jews do these things, so the law is only the moral law, the ten commandments..

Yes this is what shows us how to live and defines what sin is.

How does God judge  people? Simple are they Christian or not.

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Re: The law
« Reply #7 on: September 16, 2020, 02:53:39 PM »
Get real Dave, do you keep all the ceremonial law, for example do you make a little booth and camp out for a week, do you ensure that you don't wear clothes made of a mix of fiber. Do you eat kosher food.

Only orthodox Jews do these things, so the law is only the moral law, the ten commandments..

Yes this is what shows us how to live and defines what sin is.

How does God judge  people? Simple are they Christian or not.

Hi John
Thank you for your reply I am not saying anything it is St Paul who says.

     (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.  For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:  Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)  In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.
Romans 2:13-‬16 KJV   


And as I understand it it means all those who have never heard of God the Father or Jesus Christ will be judged on the way they lived there Lives and God will judge their Hearts.

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How does God judge  people? Simple are they Christian or not     

Are you saying only Christians will be saved if so the majority of the human race is doomed and I cannot believe the God of Love could or would do such a thing its unthinkable.

Love and Peace
Dave

 

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