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Offline Christianna

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Re: Re: divisions
« Reply #8 on: August 31, 2020, 08:05:27 AM »
Davetaff, I know that you are not literally asking which denomination should we believe.

It seems you are stating that we shouldn't be looking at doctrines that are a difference of opinion, but concentrating on Christ.

That's right.

In some areas they have one church service every so often, for the different churches in the area, that are differing denominations.

 As long as they are worshipping in Christ and not in doctrinal teachings. That latter would be manmade and antichrist.

I see where you coming from and more unity in Christ is needed, and not concentrating on secondary and side issues. For as said that steers away from Christ.

The problem is that we are in complicated days. Much unity is mentioned and without Christ being central to it, the love is the world's love.  That has been discussed. It's not the love of God and is highly dangerous.

Such a unity without Christ - is the antichrist. Labels of love are not all the love of God at all. Please be aware and know the difference.

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Re: Re: divisions
« Reply #9 on: August 31, 2020, 01:48:12 PM »
:The question is John which one of all these denominations should we believe how can we be sure they are teaching us the truth.
We only have one teacher and that is Christ and we also have his twelve  apostles  who he sent into world to preach his gospel as far as I know he has not sent anyone else.:quote Dave.

I spent his sort of reasoning from atheists. Dave please try and grow up and use adult reasoning

       
hi John
Thank you for your reply I though it was a reasonable question which denomination is preaching the truth
Check out this site             https://www.learnreligions.com/comparing-christian-denominations-beliefs-part-1-700537-             


   What is incorrect in the teaching of the CoE, Methodists, Baptists, independent churches?
Are you really suggesting that you will join an established church organisation and subscribe to its doctrine. Do bare in mind I am not aware of Any church that believes what you promote here           
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how about that Mary was a virgin all her life   even after giving birth to several children what is incorrect is there are divisions  between the different  denominations.
If you are referring to my interpretation  of the creation account in Genesis then everything I have said is backed up by scripture and as yet no one has given me a better interpretation  of the scriptures I quote         


      If you cannot substantiate your allocation please do not even think them, let alone post them         .

  I substantiate  everything I say with scripture its what I usually  post in red if you are saying Gods word is wrong please explain         
     
      Who has Jesus sent to proclaim the gospel? He has sent every Christian, it is what known as the Great commission.
We do not need apostles, prophets or messengers. We have the bible and the Spirit indwelling in us     
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    sorry John but I can't agree a decipel is one how follows an apostle is one who is sent    our Lord sent out the apostles to preach the gospel  not the decipels  everything the apostles has given us in scripture is all our lord wants us to know there is nothing after the amen in revelation   

   Yes there are churches that teach false doctrines, just as you teach weird beliefs that are not strictly orthodox Christianity.
We have to test what is being preached to us and avoid false teaching, it is part of the strong meat of the gospel         


I agree check everything against scripture how do we know that orthodox Christianity is correct if we don't check it against scripture


love and peace
Dave

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Re: Re: divisions
« Reply #10 on: August 31, 2020, 02:29:53 PM »
Davetaff, I know that you are not literally asking which denomination should we believe.

It seems you are stating that we shouldn't be looking at doctrines that are a difference of opinion, but concentrating on Christ.

That's right.

In some areas they have one church service every so often, for the different churches in the area, that are differing denominations.

 As long as they are worshipping in Christ and not in doctrinal teachings. That latter would be manmade and antichrist.

I see where you coming from and more unity in Christ is needed, and not concentrating on secondary and side issues. For as said that steers away from Christ.

The problem is that we are in complicated days. Much unity is mentioned and without Christ being central to it, the love is the world's love.  That has been discussed. It's not the love of God and is highly dangerous.

Such a unity without Christ - is the antichrist. Labels of love are not all the love of God at all. Please be aware and know the difference.


Hi Christianna
Thank you for your post all I am saying is we need to get back to scripture the word of God not man made doctoring's everything from Genesis to revelations  It seams to me that most of the divisions with in the church are over doctoring's and theology put forward by men.

Love and Peace
Dave   

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Re: Re: divisions
« Reply #11 on: August 31, 2020, 07:01:56 PM »
love and peace
Dave

You ask which denominations preach the truth? Well if you believe they preach falsehood name them.
I suggest that most individual churches are seeking o preach the truth.
I'll help you the RCC is totally ungodly and the Methodists will go as far as Calvary, but no further, never explaining why Jesus died or even saying he did die and of course there is no resurrection.
Some CoE are as bad as the RCC and others so liberal as to be pagan.
   
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One cannot just slander denominations without naming names and providing far more evidence than you have.
Your evidence, the Catholic teaching about Mary's children. That is not a protestant teaching so is irrelevant.
You mention divisions between denominations, is that really a problem? Are you so involved with the church's in your area that you know all about there squabbles between each church and about there co operations?

Re genesis yes you back your believes up with scripture, as understood only by you, so your claim is not valid.

Preaching. If only the apostles are to preach please name the apostles alive today who we should've listening to.
I repeat, sharing one's ideas about the Bible is a form of teaching and if only the apostles should do that why are you doing it.
( I do it because the idea is nonsence )

Any Christian can preach, they do not have to be an apostle, only a Christian. It helps if they have been trained and have some experience of life but otherwise any Christian can do it.

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Re: divisions
« Reply #12 on: September 01, 2020, 12:21:59 PM »
Hi John
Thank you for your post I don't  think I need to go into naming names that there are different  names over the doors of the different denominations shows there are divisions  and this should not be should we listen to the preist in the pulpit or to the word of God as we have it in scriture.

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         Re genesis yes you back your believes up with scripture, as understood only by you, so your claim is not valid     

All I ask is if the scriptures I quote I quote wrong then give me a better explanation so I will ask again.

     Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
Hebrews 1:3 KJV
https://bible.com/bible/1/heb.1.3.KJV       


This is said of no other person in scripture only Christ and as such he is the end of the creation process which can only mean creation is ongoing.

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    Preaching. If only the apostles are to preach please name the apostles alive today who we should've listening to.
I repeat, sharing one's ideas about the Bible is a form of teaching and if only the apostles should do that why are you doing it.
( I do it because the idea is nonsence       

What the apostles  preached has been written down for us and we should not add to it as most of the devision  in the church has come about the biggest devision came about between East and west through the doctoring of the trinity but in scripture the word is not mentioned and none of the writers teach it.

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Any Christian can preach, they do not have to be an apostle, only a Christian. It helps if they have been trained and have some experience of life but otherwise any Christian can do it   

Yes any Christian can spread Gods word but it must be the words of scripture not his own words

Hope you don't mind me splitting  the topic thought it was interesting and worth pursuing.

Love and peace
Dave



 
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Re: Re: divisions
« Reply #13 on: September 01, 2020, 02:25:25 PM »
Hi John
Thank you for your post I don't  think I need to go into naming names that there are different  names over the doors of the different denominations shows there are divisions  and this should not be should we listen to the preist in the pulpit or to the word of God as we have it in scriture.

Dave, where have you been the last 30-40 years? The labels over the church doors are just that - labels. The people worshipping inside are all Christians and they don't usually squabble - they agree to disagree on certain non-essential issues.

The priest/preacher in the pulpit should be preaching what's in the Scripture - and most of them do. When I go onto the platform to preach on a Sunday in my own church (we don't have a pulpit), what do you think I preach?

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What the apostles  preached has been written down for us and we should not add to it as most of the devision  in the church has come about the biggest devision came about between East and west through the doctoring of the trinity but in scripture the word is not mentioned and none of the writers teach it.
Of course we shouldn't add things, but in practice people always have, because over the centuries the ways in which we do things have changed and new issues have arisen that the Bible doesn't cover. Traditions are inevitable - and they're harmless so long as they don't override the original principles.

So much of what we think we know about church history isn't actually true. The division between the Eastern and Western churches isn't over the doctrine of the Trinity as a whole but over just one small part of it that refers to the Holy Spirit - does He proceed from the Father and the Son, or the Father only? And the issue isn't so much the phrase itself as the fact that it was changed unilaterally by the Western church without consultation.





 
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Re: divisions
« Reply #14 on: September 02, 2020, 01:33:15 PM »
Hi Deborah
Thank you for your reply I would like to make plain that I believe that in all Christian  denominations  there are those who belong to the true Church the body of Christ.
My criticism  was aimed at those who have caused the devisions in the church and those who continue  to preach things that divide the church.
Thats why I say let's get back to what the scriptures say I find no devisions  in scripture let Godly Love cement us all together into the temple of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Love and Peace
Dave

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Re: Re: divisions
« Reply #15 on: September 02, 2020, 04:03:37 PM »
Hi Deborah
Thank you for your reply I would like to make plain that I believe that in all Christian  denominations  there are those who belong to the true Church the body of Christ.
My criticism  was aimed at those who have caused the devisions in the church and those who continue  to preach things that divide the church.
Thats why I say let's get back to what the scriptures say I find no devisions  in scripture let Godly Love cement us all together into the temple of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Love and Peace
Dave


But that's the problem Dave - you say now that you're aiming at a small minority, mainly in the past, but what you originally wrote doesn't say that - it implies that here and now churches are dividing and criticising one another. And it simply isn't true - but people who have never been to church will come to this forum and read what you've written and assume that it does refer to the majority of churches here and now. Which is why I feel obliged to respond.

Can't you try to be more careful in how you say things in the first place? Or else you end up just recycling out-of-date criticisms of the church, and how does that benefit anyone?
 
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