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Re: Re: divisions
« Reply #32 on: September 21, 2020, 06:27:15 PM »
Hi Chris
Thank you for an excellent post to which I can agree I would just like to clarify one thing if I may you said

I was not judging those who attend these different denominations I have said several times that I believe that there are members of the true church in all denominations I believe the true church is defined by St Paul.

Eph 2:19  So then you are no longer R4strangers and aliens,N1 but you are R5fellow citizens with the saints and R6members of the household of God,
Eph 2:20  R7built on the foundation of the R8apostles and prophets, R9Christ Jesus himself being R10the cornerstone,
Eph 2:21  R11in whom the whole structure, being joined together, grows into R12a holy temple in the Lord.
Eph 2:22  In him R13you also are being built together R14into a dwelling place for God byN1 the Spirit.     


My objection is not towards those who attend these different churches but the divisions between them and there is scripture to back this up.

Rom 16:17  I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles R24contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; R25avoid them.
 1Co 1:10  I appeal to you, brothers,N1 by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree, and that there be no R16divisions among you, but that you be united R17in the same mind and the same judgment.
1Co 1:11  For it has been reported to me by Chloe's people that there is R18quarreling among you, my brothers.
1Co 1:12  What I mean is that R19each one of you says, ?I follow Paul,? or ?I follow R20Apollos,? or ?I follow R21Cephas,? or ?I follow Christ.?
1Co 1:13  R22Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you R23baptized in the name of Paul?
 1Co 11:18  For, in the first place, when you come together as a church, R18I hear that there are divisions among you. And I believe it in part,
Jud 1:18  TheyN1 said to you, R21?In the last time there will be scoffers, following their own ungodly passions.?
Jud 1:19  It is these who cause divisions, worldly people, R22devoid of the Spirit.   


so divisions are not Good but there are no divisions in the true church which is the body of Christ the spiritual church this church can not be divided.

Love and Peace
Dave 

Hello @davetaff,

@John was right in saying that the various denominations were the product of the believer's earnest desire to establish the truth. However, I agree that there should be no division between believers: and when coming together as individuals in Christ, there are no divisions. 


Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris


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Re: divisions
« Reply #33 on: September 21, 2020, 06:44:28 PM »
An irrelevant question. As you have rightly said All Christians belong to the universal seen and unseen church of Jesus, regardless of what church organisation they also belong to and regardless of the theology of those organisations.

As we belong to Jesus why do you insist that only one physical church organisation is the only right church.

As I have challenged you before if you proved that a particular group is the church and that church taught things you disagree with, like hell is eternal punishment, would you drop that belief and join that church?

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Re: Re: divisions
« Reply #34 on: September 22, 2020, 12:20:33 PM »
An irrelevant question. As you have rightly said All Christians belong to the universal seen and unseen church of Jesus, regardless of what church organisation they also belong to and regardless of the theology of those organisations.

  hi John
Thanks for your reply  as I have said the true church is the body of Christ is is made up of all those who have accepted Christ as their  Saviour and comply with his teachings
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As we belong to Jesus why do you insist that only one physical church organisation is the only right church.

  sorry John but I have never said this in any of my posts    that there is only one church yes I have said but it is no a man made structure it is best described by St Paul

     For through him we both have access in one Spirit to the Father. So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone, in whom the whole structure, being joined together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord. In him you also are being built together into a dwelling place for God by the Spirit.
Ephesians 2:18-‬22 ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/eph.2.18-22.ESV       
       




As I have challenged you before if you proved that a particular group is the church and that church taught things you disagree with, like hell is eternal punishment, would you drop that belief and join that church?

   thought I had made it plain I believe in the scriptures the word of God whatever anyone says should be checked against Gods word if it agrees with it then we can accept             

Love and Peace
Dave

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« Reply #35 on: September 22, 2020, 06:57:22 PM »
Dave, quote " which one is the right one" unquote.

Why then this fuss, if it does not matter.

Why the disobedience to the command in Hebrews to meet together to encourage one another?

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« Reply #36 on: September 23, 2020, 01:35:05 PM »
Dave, quote " which one is the right one" unquote.

Why then this fuss, if it does not matter.

Why the disobedience to the command in Hebrews to meet together to encourage one another?

Hi John
Thanks for your reply where have I said it dose not matter don't  put words in my mouth of course it matters  when non Christians look at all these denominations  it just creates confusion .
All these different denominations  should be united and preaching  the same gosple as we have it in scripture.

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« Reply #37 on: September 23, 2020, 02:51:59 PM »
Scripture no where says we have to be part of one church organisation.
Churches like the RCC still peach false do trin, others like Methodist are very very lukewarm about Christianity and other preach false doctrines like prosperity gospel.

Then there are people like yourself who will not attend churches because of your objections.

Those are all reasons why there is no one church organisation.


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« Reply #38 on: September 24, 2020, 12:53:22 PM »
Hi John
Thanks for your reply  the only church we should strive to be a member of is the body of Christ and in all the man made denominations there are those who belong to his body its whats in a person's heart that God looks at and judges.

So what constitutes a church is it where Christ is

    For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.
Matthew 18:20 KJV
https://bible.com/bible/1/mat.18.20.KJV   


We on this site are more than three so is this a church.

Love and Peace
Dave


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Re: Re: divisions
« Reply #39 on: September 24, 2020, 08:18:51 PM »
He read 10:25 let's us not give up meeting together as some are in the habit, but let us encourage one another and all the more as you see the day approaching.

One are the one making an unnecessary fuss about there being one United unified church organisation.
You do not seem to recognise that some church organisation have beliefs that are opposite to others ( Roman Catholic or evangelical Calvinist or liberal United reformed churches or CoE or Baptist )

You yourself will not submit to a local church yet you maintain that you will submit to this ' One' church with what theological belief.

The fact that you are not a member of a church means your argument is pointless.

 

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