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Offline davetaff

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Re: divisions
« Reply #24 on: September 19, 2020, 01:48:05 PM »
Hi John
Thanks for your reply  but Paul did not have the Internet he had the written word which he used prolifically to spread Gods word.
I think he would have welcomed the net to spread Gods word and I like to use it for that purpose thats why I love to post Gods word in most of my posts what
I have to say is of little importance its Gods word that counts.

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Re: divisions
« Reply #25 on: September 19, 2020, 09:58:08 PM »
Quote "I have to say is of little importance its Gods word that counts." Unquote

So you say, but you do not belong to a local church in direct disobedience to God's word.

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Re: divisions
« Reply #26 on: September 20, 2020, 01:04:43 PM »
'That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you,
that ye also may have fellowship with us:
and truly our fellowship is with the Father,
and with His Son Jesus Christ.
'

(1John 1:3)   

Hello there,

The Apostle John had a wonderful testimony concerning the Lord Jesus Christ, didn't he? For he, like the other disciples, had known the Lord intimately, they had seen Him, heard Him and handled Him, throughout His earthly ministry: but now, when John spoke of Him, he did not speak of Him according to the flesh, but  He referred to Him as 'The Word of life'. For, said he,

'That which was from the beginning,
.. which we have heard,
.... which we have seen with our eyes,
...... which we have looked upon,
........ and our hands have handled,
.......... of the Word of life;
(For the life was manifested,
.. and we have seen it,
.... and bear witness,
...... and shew unto you
........ that eternal life,
.......... which was with the Father,
............ and was manifested unto us;)'

(1John 1:1-2)

* Like Paul, John could say, ' ... though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we Him no more.' (2 Corinthians 5:16b) .  In referring to the risen Christ, Paul was illustrating the fact that, '... Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh ...:' .  Like John and Paul,  our fellowship is with The Father, and with The Son, through The Spirit: and as each one of us enjoy this fellowship, then we can have fellowship with each other in spirit, for we will be walking in the light, as He is in the light.

* @davetaff does not have to answer to anyone regarding 'where' or 'if' he chooses to fellowship with others (Colossians 2:16), that is between him and his Lord: and he would be better advised to not stand in judgement upon the choices made by other believers concerning where they choose to congregate.

* What matters is our fellowship with the Father and with the Son, by the Spirit, for He will lead us and direct us in the way that we should go.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

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Re: divisions
« Reply #27 on: September 20, 2020, 02:50:14 PM »
Hi Chris
Thank you for an excellent post to which I can agree I would just like to clarify one thing if I may you said

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and he would be better advised to not stand in judgement upon the choices made by other believers concerning where they choose to congregate.

I was not judging those who attend these different denominations I have said several times that I believe that there are members of the true church in all denominations I believe the true church is defined by St Paul.

Eph 2:19  So then you are no longer R4strangers and aliens,N1 but you are R5fellow citizens with the saints and R6members of the household of God, 
Eph 2:20  R7built on the foundation of the R8apostles and prophets, R9Christ Jesus himself being R10the cornerstone, 
Eph 2:21  R11in whom the whole structure, being joined together, grows into R12a holy temple in the Lord. 
Eph 2:22  In him R13you also are being built together R14into a dwelling place for God byN1 the Spirit.    


My objection is not towards those who attend these different churches but the divisions between them and there is scripture to back this up.

Rom 16:17  I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles R24contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; R25avoid them. 
 1Co 1:10  I appeal to you, brothers,N1 by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree, and that there be no R16divisions among you, but that you be united R17in the same mind and the same judgment. 
1Co 1:11  For it has been reported to me by Chloe's people that there is R18quarreling among you, my brothers. 
1Co 1:12  What I mean is that R19each one of you says, ?I follow Paul,? or ?I follow R20Apollos,? or ?I follow R21Cephas,? or ?I follow Christ.? 
1Co 1:13  R22Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you R23baptized in the name of Paul? 
 1Co 11:18  For, in the first place, when you come together as a church, R18I hear that there are divisions among you. And I believe it in part,
Jud 1:18  TheyN1 said to you, R21?In the last time there will be scoffers, following their own ungodly passions.? 
Jud 1:19  It is these who cause divisions, worldly people, R22devoid of the Spirit.   


so divisions are not Good but there are no divisions in the true church which is the body of Christ the spiritual church this church can not be divided.

Love and Peace
Dave 

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Re: Re: divisions
« Reply #28 on: September 20, 2020, 09:04:13 PM »
Quote " so divisions are not Good but there are no divisions in the true church which is the body of Christ the spiritual church this church can not be divided. "
As you have been asked before to name these divisions between churches?

You also need to read 1 for 1 as it was written, a letter to a church in the town of Corinth. Paul is not writing to the different national church organisations.


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« Reply #29 on: September 21, 2020, 02:49:44 PM »
Quote " so divisions are not Good but there are no divisions in the true church which is the body of Christ the spiritual church this church can not be divided. "
As you have been asked before to name these divisions between churches?

You also need to read 1 for 1 as it was written, a letter to a church in the town of Corinth. Paul is not writing to the different national church organisations.



Hi John
Thanks for the reply but I am not sure I understand what you saying are you saying that what Paul wrote to the church at Corinth  is only for that church and has no relevance for the churches of to day dose this apply to all his letters so can I disregard everything he says.

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Dave

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Re: divisions
« Reply #30 on: September 21, 2020, 05:12:05 PM »
The way you are using Paul's quote about people in a church setting up clich?s does not apply to how the reformation happened or is maintained, or about the formation of Baptist's, brethren, or Methodists.
None of them were formed by people saying I follow X or I was baptised by X,but they formed because of the pursuit of the truth.

If you think otherwise please supply evidence etc.

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« Reply #31 on: September 21, 2020, 05:38:54 PM »
Hi John
thank you for your reply I just done a quick Google search and found this

Number of Christian Denominations . According to the Center for the Study of Global Christianity (CSGC) at Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary, there are approximately 41,000 Christian denominations and organizations in the world today.     

Do you think this is OK which one is the right one ?????????

Love and Peace
Dave

 

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