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Re: 'God manifest in the flesh'
« Reply #8 on: July 26, 2020, 04:00:16 PM »

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"Beyond all question, the mystery from which true godliness springs is great:
He appeared in the flesh,
was vindicated by the Spirit,
was seen by angels,
was preached among the nations,
was believed on in the world,
was taken up in glory."


The Gospel is life-changing because at its very heart is Jesus Christ Himself.
It's a message that could never have been dreamed up or worked out by human minds!
What is described here is the miracle of the incarnation: the Son of God came and lived among us as a man, was put to death, but was then raised to life and ascended into heaven.
It is also the miracle of the church: God has entrusted us with the task of spreading the good news of His Kingdom, not by force of arms but by persuasion. As a result, Jesus is now acclaimed as Lord both on earth and in heaven.

We have a similar (though less poetic) summary at the very end of Mark's Gospel:
"The Lord Jesus was taken up into heaven and He sat at the right hand of God. Then the disciples went out and preached everywhere, and the Lord worked with them and confirmed His word by the signs that accompanied it." (Mark 16:19,20)
"Blessed is the one who always trembles before God,
but whoever hardens their heart falls into trouble." (Proverbs 28:14)

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Re: 'God manifest in the flesh'
« Reply #9 on: July 26, 2020, 07:59:47 PM »
"Beyond all question, the mystery from which true godliness springs is great:
He appeared in the flesh,
was vindicated by the Spirit,
was seen by angels,
was preached among the nations,
was believed on in the world,
was taken up in glory."


The Gospel is life-changing because at its very heart is Jesus Christ Himself.
It's a message that could never have been dreamed up or worked out by human minds!
What is described here is the miracle of the incarnation: the Son of God came and lived among us as a man, was put to death, but was then raised to life and ascended into heaven.
It is also the miracle of the church: God has entrusted us with the task of spreading the good news of His Kingdom, not by force of arms but by persuasion. As a result, Jesus is now acclaimed as Lord both on earth and in heaven.

We have a similar (though less poetic) summary at the very end of Mark's Gospel:
"The Lord Jesus was taken up into heaven and He sat at the right hand of God. Then the disciples went out and preached everywhere,and the Lord worked with them and confirmed His word by the signs that accompanied it." (Mark 16:19,20)
Hello @Deborah,

Thank you for your thoughts on 'The Mystery of Godliness' (1 Timothy 3:16).  I see that the translation you have used, instead of 'God' (Theos), uses the word, 'Him' (hos): I was aware that this was the case in regard to other versions; but I believe the KJV to be correct on this: for I have read (quote):- 'The reading of 1 Timothy 3:16 as 'God was manifested in the flesh' is witnessed by 289 manuscripts, by 3 versions and by at least 20 Greek 'Fathers'.  Also it does not make grammatical Greek.  The relative pronoun 'hos' (the suggested alternative to Theos) should agree with its antecedent.  But 'musterion' is neuter.  Bloomfield in his Synoptica says 'hos ephanerothe is not Greek'.'

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In Christ Jesus
Chris
 

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Re: 'God manifest in the flesh'
« Reply #10 on: July 26, 2020, 08:15:32 PM »
Hello @Deborah,

Thank you for your thoughts on 'The Mystery of Godliness' (1 Timothy 3:16).  I see that the translation you have used, instead of 'God' (Theos), uses the word, 'Him' (hos): I was aware that this was the case in regard to other versions; but I believe the KJV to be correct on this: for I have read (quote):- 'The reading of 1 Timothy 3:16 as 'God was manifested in the flesh' is witnessed by 289 manuscripts, by 3 versions and by at least 20 Greek 'Fathers'.  Also it does not make grammatical Greek.  The relative pronoun 'hos' (the suggested alternative to Theos) should agree with its antecedent.  But 'musterion' is neuter.  Bloomfield in his Synoptica says 'hos ephanerothe is not Greek'.'

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In Christ Jesus
Chris
 

I'm well aware that the modern versions are following a different Greek text here. There's a lot of debate over it, but the current (majority) view is that this is a fragment of an early hymn that Paul is quoting - in which case 'hos' would have made perfect sense in its original context.
But either way, it's talking about Jesus becoming human - and I presume we have no argument over that!
"Blessed is the one who always trembles before God,
but whoever hardens their heart falls into trouble." (Proverbs 28:14)

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Re: 'God manifest in the flesh'
« Reply #11 on: July 26, 2020, 08:18:38 PM »
I'm well aware that the modern versions are following a different Greek text here. There's a lot of debate over it, but the current (majority) view is that this is a fragment of an early hymn that Paul is quoting - in which case 'hos' would have made perfect sense in its original context.
But either way, it's talking about Jesus becoming human - and I presume we have no argument over that!

Absolutely not!!!  :D

Within the love of Christ our Saviour,
our risen Lord and Head.
Chris


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