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No longer a lid to Pandora's Box.
« on: July 24, 2020, 10:20:56 AM »

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Science by its very nature is amoral or value neutral and whilst this might be true of science itself it can hardly apply to scientists who are human and thus vulnerable to all temptations to which humanity is heir.  It is a comparatively simple matter to pursue knowledge for its own sake but infinitely more difficult, if not impossible, to deal with the consequences of subsequent discoveries.

The lid of Pandora's Box is now wide open, its content made more easily available to the world via electronic media and therefore it cannot now be closed and whilst the last thing remaining in that box was hope, even that aspirational entity has now become more of a pipe dream than a likely prospect.

The driving force behind scientific enquiry is, in the main, humankind's insatiable desire to seek out knowledge for its own sake with scant regard for any moral or practical dilemmas that might ensue. Many examples of this dichotomy abound in the fields of nuclear physics, eugenics, genetic manipulation of both plants and animals, robotics, global warming et al where the pursuit and acquisition of knowledge is not accompanied by an equivalent growth in humankind's moral sagacity to cope with it.  One example is the discovery and abuse of plastics and there are many others.
 
The search for knowledge, accompanied by rapid increases in technology along with the ever present desire of commerce to exploit its findings to the maximum will continue to outstrip the ability of mankind to use its discoveries wisely and  totally for the common, good and thereby hasten its demise.

I  embrace an apocalyptic view of the future. Why? Apart from Biblical predictions, mankind, arguably might be neither better or worse than in the past but today it possesses, and is more than capable of using, world destroying weapons of heretofore unimaginable power. This applies to the nuclear field, eugenics, robotics and virus manipulation to name but four.

Before his death, leading physicist Stephen Hawking said ?Although the chance of a disaster to planet Earth in a given year may be quite low, it adds up over time and becomes a near certainty in the next 1,000 or 10,000 years.?
   
I'm not so sure we have anywhere near that long and these parlous times are vividly described and explained for all in the third chapter of 2 Timothy which is well worth reading times without number that we might increasingly understand and so better prepare ourselves.

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Re: No longer a lid to Pandora's Box.
« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2020, 12:14:00 PM »
'This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
For men shall be lovers of their own selves,
.. covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers,
.... disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
...... Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers,
........ incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
.......... Traitors, heady, highminded,
............ lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
Having a form of godliness,
.. but denying the power thereof:
.... from such turn away.'

(2 Timothy 3:1)   

Thank you @Derek1955,

I share your view expressed in your OP: and strangely my sister asked me last night on the telephone if we could perhaps look at these signs of the times within Scripture more closely, together.  She and I study the Scriptures separately, but come together when we can to share what we have found.  Though since early March we have not been able to do so because of the Corona virus.

'Now the Spirit speaketh expressly,
that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith,
giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
Speaking lies in hypocrisy;
having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats,
which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving
of them which believe and know the truth.
For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused,
if it be received with thanksgiving:
For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

If thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things,
thou shalt be a good minister of Jesus Christ,
nourished up in the words of faith and of good doctrine,
whereunto thou hast attained.
But refuse profane and old wives' fables,
and exercise thyself rather unto godliness.
For bodily exercise profiteth little:
but godliness is profitable unto all things,
having promise of the life that now is,
and of that which is to come.'

(1 Timothy 4:1-8)   

The apostasy of the last days of this dispensation is not a departure from faith in general, but from the particular and vital doctrine which is central to the context of 1 Timothy - 'God manifest in the flesh'.  I notice on the forum's very much recently that many deny that God was manifest in the flesh, 1 Timothy 3:16)

I hope this is not a departure from your intended subject, Derek.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

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Re: No longer a lid to Pandora's Box.
« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2020, 03:58:58 PM »
Hello Chris,

I thrive on any and all departures from given subjects.

The virgin birth as part of God's Incarnation is about the time when God through the Holy Spirit descended into His creation and donned the flesh of mortality and this was necessary to enable humanity to be present in Christ in addition to Divinity to enable the eternal God who cannot suffer death to die.   The Holy Spirit planted God's seed in the womb of a virgin, peasant woman which came to term and God was then born into His own creation, suckled at his mother's breast and subsequently grew through childhood to become the man we know as Jesus.
 
Why did Jesus have to die? Our Saviour had to die because in this way God could mercifully forgive our sins whilst maintaining the integrity of His law and perfect justice. The Bible tells us that sin is the violation of God?s law of love (1 John 3:4). We have all sinned and fallen short of the glory of God (Romans 3:23). We have each earned the death penalty for our disobedience (Romans 5:12; Romans 6:23) and so God through Christ voluntarily carried the sins of the world and paid the ultimate penalty on our behalf so that we would not have to.
 
In His humanity Christ suffered physically and mentally just as any human being would suffer when subjected to an agonising scourging and crucifixion and His humanity was all too evident in the times He was  tired, hungry, thirsty and sad.  If God had been incarnate in a being of such strength that He did not suffer or run the gamut of the whole range of human emotions then that would be the same as His never being incarnate at all.  Jesus' trial and crucifixion was so public and His end so final that His subsequent death and resurrection are beyond question.

Never must we allow our Gospel derived understanding to be suffocated by all the theories which abound, for the simple truth is that God became man in Jesus who suffered, died on the cross and then rose again from the dead that our sins might be forgiven, so that we in turn might defeat death and become a part of the essence that is God. This is Christianity and this is  what we must believe for all else is pure speculation.

The only work that God wants from us is to believe in Him and in the one He sent and to obey His teaching, for all else, as Thomas Aquinas wrote about his own writings, is as straw.

I sincerely hope that you and your sister are soon able to share your findings more freely.

Forever in Christ.
Derek.

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Re: No longer a lid to Pandora's Box.
« Reply #3 on: July 24, 2020, 04:38:17 PM »
Hello Chris

I thrive on any departure from any subject under discussion and as for doubts expressed regarding the virgin birth I would comment with a few thoughts I've had on the subject as follows:

Many blasphemous explanations have been offered for the virgin birth including oe which claimed that Mary had been raped by a Roman soldier.

The virgin birth as part of God's Incarnation is about the time when God through the Holy Spirit descended into and became a part of His creation and this was necessary to enable humanity to be present in addition to Divinity to enable the eternal God who cannot suffer death to die.   

The Holy Spirit planted God's seed (is this indicative of sinfulness being a part of only the male DNA) in a virgin peasant woman which came to term and God was born into His own creation, suckled at his mother's breast and subsequently grew through childhood to become the man we know as Jesus.
 
Why did Jesus have to die? Our Saviour had to die because in this way God could mercifully forgive our sins while maintaining the integrity of His law and perfect justice. The Bible tells us that sin is the violation of God?s law of love (1 John 3:4). We have all sinned and fallen short of the glory of God (Romans 3:23). We have each earned the death penalty for our disobedience (Romans 5:12; Romans 6:23) and so God through Christ voluntarily carried the sins of the world and paid the ultimate penalty on our behalf so that we would not have to.  The eternal God is so full of LIFE He had to borrow death from His creation.

In His humanity Christ suffered physically and mentally just as any human being would suffer when subjected to an agonising scourging and crucifixion.  If God had been incarnate in a being of such strength that He did not suffer then that would be the same as His never being incarnate at all.  Jesus' trial and crucifixion was so public and His end so final that His subsequent death and resurrection are beyond question.

Never must we allow our Gospel derived understanding to be suffocated by all the theories which abound, for the simple truth is that God became man in Jesus who suffered, died on the cross and then rose again from the dead so that our sins might be forgiven and that we in turn might defeat death and in so doing become a part of the essence that is God. This is what Christians must believe; all else is mere supposition.

 The only work that God wants from us is to believe in Him and in the one He sent and to obey His teaching, for all else, as Thomas Aquinas wrote about his own writings, is as straw.


Forever in Christ.
Derek.

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Re: No longer a lid to Pandora's Box.
« Reply #4 on: July 24, 2020, 07:00:12 PM »
@Derek1955

Excellent responses.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris


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