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Re: Along with Creation came Time.
« Reply #16 on: July 15, 2020, 11:50:21 PM »

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Was'nt there a time during creation ?

Yeah the seventh day does not end with "and then there was night and day" instead God blessed the seventh day / hence it's used now to define our meeting up together as a "Church" and hence communion..

No idea how "a day" can be made Holy "but who am I to argue..

Most of those days must have been defined either by measurement or by night and day [the first fundementals of time..

After the seventh day Adam and Eve and all the animals - would have known a clock - day and night...

I mean if I die now - I will be before God [like everyone else] after I will be on a new earth with God as my Light...

But how do you define time in eternity ? with no night .... !

Then you have "God's timing" when God decides in His time..."


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Re: Along with Creation came Time.
« Reply #17 on: July 15, 2020, 11:55:50 PM »
I would suggest time still exists after death - on the new earth - where God decides what happens and when - where there is no night and day  [otherwise how would you know you are living in eternity?

It would just be a single point - where you live the same day for eternity and even the day is no longer defined by 24 hours or night and day - you would just simply be caught up in worship of the Light.

Even now during your lifetime - you define things by "when God did that or when God did this" - not so much by a clock or night and day - but "God's timing"...

Where He comes out of eternity - and into your time..


During this time of lockdown - it's been like time has stood still ["Has'nt it ?"] defined by a time of trouble...



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Re: Along with Creation came Time.
« Reply #18 on: July 16, 2020, 09:51:43 AM »
@Earthman

'Thou art worthy, O Lord,
to receive glory and honour and power:
for Thou hast created all things,
and for Thy pleasure
they are and were created.'

(Rev 4:11) 
 
Hello there,

It is God who established time isn't it? Who, throughout His communication with us, uses dates and times very precisely and purposefully.  Having a framework of time is necessary in order to communicate, and that is God's purpose, to communicate with us, that we may know Him.

How wonderful His creation is, it renders me speechless just contemplating the perfection of it. :D

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

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Re: Along with Creation came Time.
« Reply #19 on: July 16, 2020, 10:18:03 AM »
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Hello there,

Reading through the OP again I found it interesting and thought provoking. 

We are to learn the mistakes of the past, our own personal mistakes, and those of history, otherwise we are in danger of repeating those mistakes, and a prayer of Moses is recorded in Psalm 90, in which he says in verse 12,  'So teach us to number our days, that we may apply our hearts unto wisdom.'  So looking back to the past, with that intention is a good thing, isn't it?

This time of isolation we have all experienced because of the Corona virus, has caused many of us to reflect upon our lives, for our present has become limited by circumstances, and the future is uncertain. I certainly have, as have others of my acquaintance.

The structure of our world is being shaken, and we do not know what the outcome will be, but we who believe on the Lord Jesus Christ have an anchor which holds us fast, based on the promises of God, Who never fails.  For His will, will be done, and His purposes accomplished no matter what happens.

With love in Christ Jesus
Chris

 
 

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Re: Along with Creation came Time.
« Reply #20 on: July 25, 2020, 12:54:58 PM »
'He hath made every thing beautiful in His time:
also He hath set the world in their heart,
so that no man can find out
the work that God maketh
from the beginning to the end.'

(Ecclesiates 3:11) 

Hello there Derek1955,

I was talking to my grandson this morning about the difference between our calendar and that of the Jewish calendar.  So this subject of 'Time' has attracted me: and for some reason the verse quoted above came to mind, so I have entered it, without necessarily knowing how it is going to fit into the subject of the thread.

God spoke in terms of, 'the evening and the morning' in relation to the days of creation, giving the day a boundary of time in relation to the rising of the sun and the going down of the same (Genesis 1:14; Psalm 104:19; Psalm 136:8-9; Ecclesiastes 1:4-6; Jeremiah 31:35).

From the rising of the sun
unto the going down of the same
the LORD'S name is to be praised.

(Psa 113:3) 

* Yet God is able to make the sun stand still, (Joshua 10:12-13; Job 9:7) to accomplish His purpose.
* God can make the shadow on a sundial go back.( Isaiah 38:8 )
* God determined which month would be the first of months for the Jew. (Exodus 12:2)
* The Jew regulated their months by direct observation of the new moon at the slim crescent phase.

Just small thoughts and observations.
Thank you,
In Christ Jesus
Chris
'He hath made every thing beautiful in His time:
also He hath set the world in their heart,
so that no man can find out the work that God maketh
from the beginning to the end.'

(Ecclesiastes 3:11)   

Hello there @Derek1955,

This verse finds its way into my mind so often, possibly because it is a mystery to me, and I want to solve it.  It has a context, and should be viewed within that context, but it hasn't helped me to understand what is meant by the last part of this verse.

'He hath set the world in their heart,
so that no man can find out the work that God maketh
from the beginning to the end.'


* I read that, 'the world,' here is translated from 'olam', meaning, 'ages', or the world related to time: for that which is inscrutable to man, that is, obscurity as to the past, and the future ages, resulting in man's incapacity for finding out, or comprehending the whole of what God does.  This has resulted from the fall. (taken from the margin of my Bible)

* This is now clearer to me, but it also shows me the futility of seeking to probe beyond what is revealed in God's word.  Which reminds me of words spoken by Moses in Deuteronomy 29:29a, ' The secret things belong unto the LORD our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, ...' Also, Romans 11:33, in which Paul exclaims, '... O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are His judgements, and His ways past finding out!
 
* Reminds me too, of the prayer of Ephesians chapter one: in which Paul prays that those to whom he wrote would receive '... the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of Him (of God, in Christ Jesus).'    For without that spirit of wisdom and revelation it would be impossible to find the 'unsearchable riches of Christ' (Ephesians 3:8 ). He says:-

'Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given,
that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ;
And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery,
which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God,
Who created all things by Jesus Christ:
To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places
might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,
According to the eternal purpose which He purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord: ... '

(Eph 3:8-11)

Praise God!

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

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Re: Along with Creation came Time.
« Reply #21 on: July 25, 2020, 05:41:20 PM »
Hello Cariad,

Not an easy verse to get to grips with but it seems to me that God has gifted to the enquiring minds of humans the  massively complex world of nature in which it is possible for them to see and read much of the wisdom power, and goodness of God in His creation. To some he gives an inclination and a desire so to do but the subjects He sets before them is so vast and complex; their intellect so finite and their lives so short, that they are unable to achieve more than to understand a very small part the work of God: either of His creation or His providence and nowhere near to perfection.  Neither can they find out the works of God from the beginning of creation to the end for God only is Alpha and Omega.

What God has created, only a small part of it is known and understood by mankind and even less is known about the hereafter.  Whilst some of God's great works may be commenced in a man's lifetime he will not live to see them completed and as a consequence cannot fully grasp their meaning in the great scheme of things, whilst other matters are so uncertain and unclear that man is obliged to say: (Romans 11: 33) "O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!"

We can only know as much as God wants us to know as made clear in Romans 1: 19 "What may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them".

Not until we stand in our redeemed bodies before God will all things be understood or indeed the true beauty of them clearly seen.    1 Corinthians 13: 12.

I hope it helps for it's the best I can offer.

Forever in Christ
Derek

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Re: Along with Creation came Time.
« Reply #22 on: July 25, 2020, 07:43:09 PM »
Hello Cariad,

Not an easy verse to get to grips with but it seems to me that God has gifted to the enquiring minds of humans the  massively complex world of nature in which it is possible for them to see and read much of the wisdom power, and goodness of God in His creation. To some he gives an inclination and a desire so to do but the subjects He sets before them is so vast and complex; their intellect so finite and their lives so short, that they are unable to achieve more than to understand a very small part the work of God: either of His creation or His providence and nowhere near to perfection.  Neither can they find out the works of God from the beginning of creation to the end for God only is Alpha and Omega.

What God has created, only a small part of it is known and understood by mankind and even less is known about the hereafter.  Whilst some of God's great works may be commenced in a man's lifetime he will not live to see them completed and as a consequence cannot fully grasp their meaning in the great scheme of things, whilst other matters are so uncertain and unclear that man is obliged to say: (Romans 11: 33) "O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!"

We can only know as much as God wants us to know as made clear in Romans 1: 19 "What may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them".

Not until we stand in our redeemed bodies before God will all things be understood or indeed the true beauty of them clearly seen.    1 Corinthians 13: 12.

I hope it helps for it's the best I can offer.

Forever in Christ
Derek

It is lovely, Derek,

Thank you.
In Christ Jesus
Chris

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