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Along with Creation came Time.
« on: July 10, 2020, 11:11:47 AM »

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The passage of time has always been a significant preoccupation of humanity.   Time cannot be seen nor heard and neither can it be touched and yet all believe they experience it and that it exists.   There are numerous theories about time and the place it occupies in the great scheme of things and the math based theories advanced are usually those of theoretical physicists which bear little practical relation to the daily lives of ordinary people.

Today, time can be measured accurately like never before.  It is claimed that the optical single-ion clock works by measuring the vibrational frequency of ytterbium ions as they oscillate back and forth hundreds of trillions times per second between two different energy levels. These ions are trapped within an 'optical lattice' of laser beams that allows scientists to count the number of ytterbium 'ticks' per second to measure time so accurately the clock won?t lose or gain a second in several billion years.  However, few of us will be around to provide the veracity or otherwise of that particular claim.

Einstein believed time to be a great illusion as even an elementary examination reveals. Why? The past exists only as records kept in various kinds of storage or in individual memories and the future is based solely on the hopes and fears of individuals.  When the future becomes the present it instantly vacates that spot to become the past and whatever some scientists might want us to believe to the contrary, for all pragmatic purposes neither past nor future can be occupied except in their due time.

Seemingly we either live in a continuous present or we don't live at all.   The past is only a collection of memories whilst the future contains nothing more for us than fears and expectations.  Good things or bad can only be done NOW, this very instant, in what theologians call the Holy Present which comes and goes in an instant.  Of course we can plan for the future but those plans can only be brought to fruition when the future arrives and becomes the present and unless we then act on those plans they remain dormant.  Certainly we cannot change the past but our efforts in the 'present' can hopefully learn - or not - from past happenings to make the future either better or worse. Wars are one example where it seems lessons are never learned.

Time marches on it is claimed, and certainly it appears to roll onward as an inexorable series of events creating that which we call history as they unfold.  Good or bad deeds can only be done in the here and now. We might plan to carry out a good deed in the future, albeit a future that is possibly only minutes away, but until that planned future event becomes the present and the good deed is then done, the plans remain quiescent for it is only in the here and now that we can either carry them out or not.   

Obliterate memory and expectations and all that is left for us as individuals is the present where in fact we can only live the whole of our practical lives and that is where God expects us to live - in the Holy Present. Not maundering on about an impossible to change, might-have-been past, nor treading the self-comforting path of not-yet-performed, future good intentions.

It is said that the path to hell is paved with good intentions and so the only way to make our future secure with Jesus Christ is by obeying God's commandments in our here and now, in our Holy Present, in our Holy NOW.

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Re: Along with Creation came Time.
« Reply #1 on: July 12, 2020, 05:35:52 PM »
'He hath made every thing beautiful in His time:
also He hath set the world in their heart,
so that no man can find out
the work that God maketh
from the beginning to the end.'

(Ecclesiates 3:11) 

Hello there Derek1955,

I was talking to my grandson this morning about the difference between our calendar and that of the Jewish calendar.  So this subject of 'Time' has attracted me: and for some reason the verse quoted above came to mind, so I have entered it, without necessarily knowing how it is going to fit into the subject of the thread.

God spoke in terms of, 'the evening and the morning' in relation to the days of creation, giving the day a boundary of time in relation to the rising of the sun and the going down of the same (Genesis 1:14; Psalm 104:19; Psalm 136:8-9; Ecclesiastes 1:4-6; Jeremiah 31:35).

From the rising of the sun
unto the going down of the same
the LORD'S name is to be praised.

(Psa 113:3) 

* Yet God is able to make the sun stand still, (Joshua 10:12-13; Job 9:7) to accomplish His purpose.
* God can make the shadow on a sundial go back.( Isaiah 38:8 )
* God determined which month would be the first of months for the Jew. (Exodus 12:2)
* The Jew regulated their months by direct observation of the new moon at the slim crescent phase.

Just small thoughts and observations.
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Chris


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Re: Along with Creation came Time.
« Reply #2 on: July 13, 2020, 05:43:06 PM »
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Derek1955:- It is said that the path to hell is paved with good intentions and so the only way to make our future secure with Jesus Christ is by obeying God's commandments in our here and now, in our Holy Present, in our Holy NOW.

Hello @Derek1955,

I enjoyed reading your OP.  Yet the subject does make me feel that 'therein lies madness'.  For the only reliable physical consciousness we have is of the fabric of our lives: the earth beneath our feet, the sky above us, the fact that the sun rises and sets etc., and looking too closely at these things can shake those certainties, making our existence feel a little more fragile or less secure.

With respect, I do not agree with the statement you have made in the excerpt that I have quoted.  For the only way to make our eternal security 'secure' is not by obeying God's commandments: but by believing the Gospel of God concerning His Son the Lord Jesus Christ, and trusting in His faithfulness, on the basis of the all-sufficient sacrifice of the Lord Jesus Christ for our sin, to redeem us from it's consequence.

Praise God!

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris


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Re: Along with Creation came Time.
« Reply #3 on: July 14, 2020, 10:35:15 AM »
Surely we cannot do one without the other.

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Re: Along with Creation came Time.
« Reply #4 on: July 14, 2020, 03:04:12 PM »
@Derek1955,

Hello there,

Thank you for responding.

My point was that the keeping of the 10 commandments does not guarantee our future security.  For that is secured to those who believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, by the sacrificial work of Christ on our behalf, without works.

Thank you for your patience.
In Christ Jesus
Chris


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Re: Along with Creation came Time.
« Reply #5 on: July 14, 2020, 03:57:57 PM »
Surely both are necessary.  I'm sorry to labour the point but as James maintains ch2 v26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.  I believe it is a dangerous doctrine to encourage a belief that faith in Christ alone, regardless of one's actions, can result in salvation.  If salvation depends solely on one having a faith in Christ then one could commit any number of sins to enhance status and wealth whilst in the world and still be assured of salvation.  If my understanding is faulty on this subject then perhaps you could elucidate.

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Re: Along with Creation came Time.
« Reply #6 on: July 14, 2020, 04:22:54 PM »
@Derek1955

Hello there,

Are you saying that both are necessary to secure our eternal security? Both faith and works?

A saving faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, is sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise: and the believer's eternal security is sure; on the basis of the promise of life in Christ Jesus. The Holy Spirit, through the ministration of God's word, ensures that the believer grows in grace and truth and in the knowledge of God:  He teaches and chastens him as a Father a child.  We are God's workmanship, created unto good works which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them (Ephesians 2:10). 

Believing on the Lord Jesus Christ is a work of faith enough to satisfy James I believe: for Abraham's work of faith was to believe God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness, though he proved that faith by what he did.   Believing God's testimony concerning His Son the Lord Jesus Christ is all that is required for salvation: for John says in (John 20:31)  'But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.'  Though even believing is a work of the Spirit upon the heart I believe through the entrance of the light of the Gospel.

* I believe that if we are God's workmanship that scenario that you give is not possible.

Thank you
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Chris

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Re: Along with Creation came Time.
« Reply #7 on: July 15, 2020, 10:16:45 AM »
It seems that in spite of that which we are told many times to the contrary by Jesus you appear to believe that if we have faith in Him then no matter how badly we might behave in this life we are assured of salvation.   Even the most holy of men are totally devoid of sin and whilst yours is an extremely comforting approach to the question of our salvation it is also a very misleading reading of the Gospels.  Perhaps you would indicate in scripture from where you obtained this particular approach of salvation regardless of behaviour.

Derek

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