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Offline Derek1955

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Miracles.
« on: July 07, 2020, 12:58:53 PM »

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No matter how wondrous a happening might be, for those who disbelieve in miracles they can always be described as a coincidental occurrence and Jesus knew full well that signs, as John called them, would not bring people to faith in either Him or His Father as described in (Matt.12:39-39).

Whether a miracle happens through the actions of Christ Himself or by those to whom He gives a portion of His power, one has to accept that the Word (as John describes Jesus in his Gospel) who made all things seen and unseen and without Who nothing was made that was made, is able to control the quantum aspects of the universe He created in order to achieve whatever outcome He desires as stated unequivocally in Matt.3:9

Nevertheless the Miracles of Jesus, whilst not insignificant, were nevertheless small when compared to the continuous life sustaining works of His Father and are so by comparison that we might better understand them. Poor indeed was the miraculous making of wine in the stone jars at the marriage feast in Cana when compared to the abundant growth of vines throughout the world with their clusters of ripening grapes gathering from the earth the water that had to be carried in pitchers and then poured into the stone jars at Cana. The same can be said with the feeding of the five thousand from a few loaves and fishes when compared to the world's bounteous grain harvest and the fish-teeming oceans, both being the work of God. In each case with Jesus' miracles they were always a reflection of the life sustaining works of His Father. Stones were not turned into either bread or fish but existing bread and fish were multiplied to abundance as exhibited by the baskets of leftovers that were gathered up afterwards at the feeding of both the five and the four thousand.

Disbelieve in miracles and the Resurrection itself, the greatest miracle of all, would have to be disbelieved. Miracles today happen just as they did over 2000 years ago in answer to prayers but not always in the way that the petitioner might ask, for if we knew that an event occurred definitively each time in answer to prayer then a belief in our own powers would be an ever present temptation.

It is self evident that Infinite Wisdom might on occasion refuse that which finite humanity in their ignorance might request, for God knows that which we need whilst we know only that which we want.

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Re: Miracles.
« Reply #1 on: July 08, 2020, 02:50:03 AM »
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? on: Yesterday at 12:58:53 PM

Love you posts especially the ploughing of the field each hear for new growth - still thinking about that one  and  evaluating it with my scripture and experience.

I think when we come to miracles we must enter with a child mentality..



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Re: Miracles.
« Reply #2 on: July 25, 2020, 07:22:48 AM »
Miracles are happening every second of every day of each and every year but they are so commonplace that eyeless humankind is not appreciative. 
One such is the life-force which enervates each item of living flora and  fauna.    When life departs from any item of flora or fauna all the scientific Humpty Dumpty's in the world cannot bring it back it back and neither can they heal a cut on a corpse. 

The joining together of male and female to produce offspring is quite miraculous and if you doubt that try and produce a baby without male/female input and there are many more examples.  Even cloning requires pre-existent creatures to donate the parts necessary.
 
Look around you with open eyes at the multiplicity of daily miracles and you will have no need to enter into them with a child's mentality. 

Christ's miracles were all part of that which His Father carried out  on a larger scale but made smaller that we might more easily understand them.

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Re: Miracles.
« Reply #3 on: July 25, 2020, 09:39:14 AM »
I'm sorry, but to me this just devalues the word 'miracle'. If we use it for everyday, normal things, what do we use to describe the ABnormal -  such as the life-changing, paradigm-shifting, cataclysmic event of Jesus' Resurrection?

Perhaps it's because of my scientific background - but we need to make a distinction between the things that follow the laws of nature (the things that science can describe and explain) and the things that are contrary to the laws of nature - miracles. Miracles are important evidence that God hasn't just 'wound up' the world and set it going like a piece of clockwork machinery, but is active in it and has the power to change it when He wishes.
"Blessed is the one who always trembles before God,
but whoever hardens their heart falls into trouble." (Proverbs 28:14)

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Re: Miracles.
« Reply #4 on: July 25, 2020, 10:17:25 AM »
I guess it can all be seen in different angles.
It's the everyday existence of creation that had a lot to do with me coming to know the Lord.

In the beauty and wonder around us, that we take for granted.

It just increasingly filled me  with awe of the unexplained mystery.

Science explained the mechanism but didn't explain the design, thought and power and that's when I accepted that we have a Creator.

To me it's an every day miracle that we take for granted that displays the Majestic wonderous  power of God our Creator.
That is so wonderful beyond words.

Of course the miracles Jesus did were wonderful - breaking the laws of science and nature, showing the mechanism work through Him, no matter if they are every day or out of the every day existence.

The resurrection also fills with awe and shows the power of God directly.

I can see how this would inspire a scientific mind and approach.

It's all exceedingly wonderful, whether it's directly or indirectly through the natural science of every day creation.
For both ways show and display the Majestic and power of God.

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Re: Miracles.
« Reply #5 on: July 25, 2020, 10:23:57 AM »
@Derek1955
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Hi there,

Interesting differences of outlook here, and I can see the merit of both: but the term, 'the laws of nature' is a man made construct for what takes place in God's creation isn't it?  Within God's creation I believe that everything is miraculous, even the fact that we can draw a breath. 

Thank you.
In Christ Jesus
Chris


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Re: Miracles.
« Reply #6 on: July 25, 2020, 10:29:11 AM »
Of course we should be filled with awe and wonder as we contemplate God's creation - I'm not suggesting otherwise.

When I was at medical school, I was constantly amazed at the way in which the human body is constructed, and how it works.

But a miracle is something else.
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Re: Miracles.
« Reply #7 on: July 25, 2020, 10:32:52 AM »
Of course we should be filled with awe and wonder as we contemplate God's creation - I'm not suggesting otherwise.

When I was at medical school, I was constantly amazed at the way in which the human body is constructed, and how it works.

But a miracle is something else.

That's great. How God showed you the amazing way He works. 😊

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