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Re: Genesis
« Reply #80 on: August 03, 2020, 11:32:25 AM »
We seem to have skipped over the creation of the first man:

"Then the LORD God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being." (Genesis 2:7)

God is depicted here as a potter:
"You, LORD, are our Father.
We are the clay, You are the potter;
we are all the work of your hand."
(Isaiah 64:8 )
The creation of Adam is not a unique event; this is true of each and every one of us (I Corinthians 15:47,48).  We are all 'formed from dust' (Psalm 103:14).
Physically, man is nothing special - he is made from the same 'dust' as all other creatures (and shares their biochemistry and physiology).  But our creation was something in which God was intimately involved; it was an act of giving as well as making. The whole process was intensely personal - like a kiss! This is what sets us apart from the rest of creation: the life-giving breath of God - the Holy Spirit.
Hello @Deborah,

I responded to Genesis 2:7 in reply #68.

In response to your entry: it was the breath of life that was breathed into Adam, not the Holy Spirit. The same breath of life is found in all living creatures.  We have the record of the creation of man given to us in detail here in Genesis 2, but it does not mean that other creatures, in whom is the breath of life, were not created in the same way, we are just not given the same detail in regard to their creation.

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Chris


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Re: Genesis
« Reply #81 on: August 03, 2020, 11:45:17 AM »
Hello @Deborah,

I responded to Genesis 2:7 in reply #68.

In response to your entry: it was the breath of life that was breathed into Adam, not the Holy Spirit. The same breath of life is found in all living creatures. 

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Actually, I disagree (amicably, I hope).
God's breath is the Holy Spirit. (Different word used here, I know, but does God have two breaths?) See Job 32:8. "It is the spirit in a person, the breath of the Almighty, that gives them understanding." (n'shamah and ruach used in apposition here, so clearly referring to the same thing; also in Job 33:4.)
Even if it includes the 'breath of life' that animates all living beings, there is clearly more to it than that. Otherwise we would be no different from animals. The spiritual side of our nature could only have come from God's Holy Spirit.
"Blessed is the one who always trembles before God,
but whoever hardens their heart falls into trouble." (Proverbs 28:14)

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Re: Genesis
« Reply #82 on: August 03, 2020, 12:04:30 PM »
Actually, I disagree (amicably, I hope).
God's breath is the Holy Spirit. (Different word used here, I know, but does God have two breaths?) See Job 32:8. "It is the spirit in a person, the breath of the Almighty, that gives them understanding." (n'shamah and ruach used in apposition here, so clearly referring to the same thing; also in Job 33:4.)
Even if it includes the 'breath of life' that animates all living beings, there is clearly more to it than that. Otherwise we would be no different from animals. The spiritual side of our nature could only have come from God's Holy Spirit.
Hi Deborah,

Amicably? Of course  :D

In the KJV, Job 32:8 says,  'But there is a spirit in man: and the inspiration of the Almighty giveth them understanding.' Compare, All scripture is given by inspiration of God (ie., God breathed), and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
 


* We are made in God's image, that is the difference is it not?

* There is a spirit in man, but it is distinct from the Holy Spirit:- (Rom 8:16) 'The (Holy) Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:'

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Re: Genesis
« Reply #83 on: August 03, 2020, 12:38:59 PM »
Hi Deborah,

Amicably? Of course  :D

In the KJV, Job 32:8 says,  'But there is a spirit in man: and the inspiration of the Almighty giveth them understanding.' Compare, All scripture is given by inspiration of God (ie., God breathed), and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
 


* We are made in God's image, that is the difference is it not?

* There is a spirit in man, but it is distinct from the Holy Spirit:- (Rom 8:16) 'The (Holy) Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:'

Thank you.
In Christ Jesus
Chris

So God breathed into Adam "inspiration" (same Hebrew word)? I don't think so. For whatever reason the KJV translators decided to use the word 'inspiration' in Job 32:8, 'breath' makes just as much sense. And the Holy Spirit does give understanding (John 14;26; I John 2:20)

I agree that our spirit is distinct from the Holy Spirit (perhaps it should be 'Spirit' rather than 'spirit' in Job 32:8 ); but where did it come from? We are made in God's image because of the Holy Spirit's role in our creation, surely?
"Blessed is the one who always trembles before God,
but whoever hardens their heart falls into trouble." (Proverbs 28:14)

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Re: Genesis
« Reply #84 on: August 03, 2020, 01:32:00 PM »
Hi ladies.
How would you explain the following.

    Now this he said about the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were to receive, for as yet the Spirit had not been given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.
John 7:39 ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/jhn.7.39.ESV 

    For it is not you who speak, but the Spirit of your Father speaking through you.
Matthew 10:20 ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/mat.10.20.ESV 


As I understand it the Holy Spirit was not given as an indwelling Spirit till after Christ was glorified before that the Spirit of God spoke through individuals  but they did not have the Spirit as an as an indwelling spirit as believers can have after Christs glorification.

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https://bible.com/bible/59/jhn.7.39.ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/mat.10.20.ESV

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Re: Genesis
« Reply #85 on: August 03, 2020, 01:47:43 PM »
Hi ladies.
How would you explain the following.

    Now this he said about the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were to receive, for as yet the Spirit had not been given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.
John 7:39 ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/jhn.7.39.ESV 

    For it is not you who speak, but the Spirit of your Father speaking through you.
Matthew 10:20 ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/mat.10.20.ESV 


As I understand it the Holy Spirit was not given as an indwelling Spirit till after Christ was glorified before that the Spirit of God spoke through individuals  but they did not have the Spirit as an as an indwelling spirit as believers can have after Christs glorification.

Love and Peace
Dave

Good question Dave.

The Holy Spirit was breathed into the first man to give him (and all his descendants) a spiritual nature. This is what makes us capable of relating to God and believing in God.
But the Spirit didn't dwell in Adam as a result.

The giving of the Spirit since Pentecost is something different. Every human being on Earth has a spiritual nature, but only Christians are born again and have the Holy Spirit living inside us.

And to be filled with the Spirit is something different again. Every true believer has the Spirit (and is sealed with the Spirit), but we aren't all filled with the Spirit all the time. This is why Paul tells the Christians at Ephesus to "be filled with the Spirit" (Ephesians 5:18) - it depends  to some extent on our own willingness and receptiveness.
https://bible.com/bible/59/jhn.7.39.ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/mat.10.20.ESV
"Blessed is the one who always trembles before God,
but whoever hardens their heart falls into trouble." (Proverbs 28:14)

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Re: Genesis
« Reply #86 on: August 03, 2020, 06:22:10 PM »
Hi
It seams to me the breath of life and the holy Spirit are two different  things.

        The Spirit of God has made me, and the breath of the Almighty gives me life.
Job 33:4 ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/job.33.4.ESV       

         And to every beast of the earth and to every bird of the heavens and to everything that creeps on the earth, everything that has the breath of life, I have given every green plant for food.? And it was so.
Genesis 1:30 ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/gen.1.30.ESV       


As we see from the above if the breath of life was the Holy Spirit  all the animals  would have it.

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Dave
https://bible.com/bible/59/job.33.4.ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/gen.1.30.ESV

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Re: Genesis
« Reply #87 on: August 05, 2020, 03:34:30 PM »
Hi
that seams to have settled that dispute so lets move on.

Gen 2:10  A river flowed out of Eden to water the garden, and there it divided and became four rivers. 
Gen 2:11  The name of the first is the Pishon. It is the one that flowed around the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold. 
Gen 2:12  And the gold of that land is good; bdellium and onyx stone are there. 
Gen 2:13  The name of the second river is the Gihon. It is the one that flowed around the whole land of Cush. 
Gen 2:14  And the name of the third river is the Tigris, which flows east of Assyria. And the fourth river is the Euphrates. 
Gen 2:15  The LORD God took the man and put him in the garden of Eden to work it and keep it.          


So we have four rivers flowing through the paradise of God but they all come from one river that divides into four dose the one river represent the water of the word of God?.
Who was the man God put in the Garden to work it It seams a bit Much for one human being don't you think makes far more sense if the man is a man in Gods image as Israel and Christ are the first gardens Eden and Israel are relative small areas of the earths service  But the last creation will work the whole of the earth Gods glorious creation through Christ and all those who belong to him.

Love and Peace
Dave

 

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