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Re: Genesis
« Reply #72 on: July 31, 2020, 02:44:28 PM »
Hi Chris
Thank you for a good post helpful to those who read it when I speak of Abraham's seed being created into man I mean man in the image of God not an ordinary man.
We must keep in mind that the first Adam God created died before the flood he was contaminated by the angels that fell so it was necessary  to create a new man in his image was it not.
So God sets about the creation of man in his image with those that was on the ark this would take some time from Noah to when Israel came out of Egypt .
Hello Dave,

Noah was Adam's offspring, and we are told in Genesis 6:9 & 7:1, that he was 'perfect in his generation', he walked with God, and God established His covenant with Noah (Genesis 6:18).

'And all flesh died that moved upon the earth,
.. both of fowl,
.... and of cattle,
...... and of beast,
........ and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth,
.......... and every man:
............ All in whose nostrils was the breath of life,
............ of all that was in the dry land, died.
And every living substance was destroyed
.. which was upon the face of the ground,
.... both man,
...... and cattle,
........ and the creeping things,
.......... and the fowl of the heaven;
........... and they were destroyed from the earth:
and Noah only remained alive,
and they that were with him in the ark.'

(Genesis 7:21) 

* God is very precise isn't He, so that we can be in no doubt of the truth of what happened at the flood.
* Noah and his son's, being descended from Adam, bear the likeness of God's image.
* So there was a continuation of the line of Adam, from whom the seed of the woman would come as promised in Genesis 3:15.

Thank you
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Chris

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Re: Genesis
« Reply #73 on: July 31, 2020, 03:01:20 PM »
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@davetaff said:-
So let's get back on track

And out of the ground made the Lord God to grow
every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food;
the tree of life also in the midst of the garden,
and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

Genesis 2:9 KJV

I have wondered quite a lot about these trees  I believe the tree of life is Christ the tree of knowledge would be the first Adam before the flood and after the flood it would be the law given to Israel the knowledge of good and evil is what the law tells us.

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Dave
'And out of the ground
.. made the LORD God to grow
.... every tree that is pleasant to the sight,
...... and good for food;
the tree of life also in the midst of the garden,
and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.'

(Gen 2:9)   

Hello Dave,

There is no reason to believe that the tree of life and 'the tree of the knowledge of good and evil'[/b] should be anything other than a tree like any other tree.  Why should they be allegorical, when the others are not?  We are told their function, to bear fruit that when eaten give either 'life' in the one, or 'the knowledge of good and evil' in the other. 

* In Revelation we are told more about the tree of life, aren't we? In Revelation 2:7, 22:2, and 22:14, for it will be in the paradise of God:-

'He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches;
To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life,
which is in the midst of the paradise of God.'

{Rev. 2:7}

'In the midst of the street of it,
and on either side of the river,
was there the tree of life,
which bare twelve manner of fruits,
and yielded her fruit every month:
and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
'

(Rev. 22:2)
 
'Blessed are they that do His commandments,
that they may have right to the tree of life,
and may enter in through the gates into the city.'

(Rev. 22:14)   

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

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Re: Genesis
« Reply #74 on: August 01, 2020, 10:56:25 AM »
Hi Chris
Thank you for your reply  and your Question why can't  they be trees I would say is God interested  in trees lumps of wood I don't  think so there numerous  verses in scripture that likens people a countries and cities to trees even St paul has this to say.

     Rom 11:17: "And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;"

Rom 11:24: "For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?"         


Our Lord said of himself.

     I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.  (John 15:1, KJV)           

Our Lord likens  himself to a tree.

   Isa 41:19: "I will plant in the wilderness the cedar, the shittah tree, and the myrtle, and the oil tree; I will set in the desert the fir tree, and the pine, and the box tree together:"     

Something else to think about.

        Isa 40:6: "The voice said, Cry. And he said, What shall I cry? All flesh is grass, and all the goodliness thereof is as the flower of the field:"

Isa 40:7: "The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: because the spirit of the LORD bloweth upon it: surely the people is grass."

Isa 40:8: "The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand forever."       


I will ask you a question what do you think God has been doing since the flood resting or creating.

Love and peace
Dave


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Re: Genesis
« Reply #75 on: August 01, 2020, 12:26:42 PM »
Hi Chris
Thank you for your reply  and your Question why can't  they be trees I would say is God interested  in trees lumps of wood I don't  think so there numerous  verses in scripture that likens people a countries and cities to trees even St paul has this to say.

Rom 11:17: "And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;"
Rom 11:24: "For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?"         


Our Lord said of himself.

I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.  (John 15:1), KJV

Our Lord likens  himself to a tree.

Isa 41:19: "I will plant in the wilderness the cedar, the shittah tree, and the myrtle, and the oil tree; I will set in the desert the fir tree, and the pine, and the box tree together:"     

Something else to think about.

Isa 40:6: "The voice said, Cry. And he said, What shall I cry? All flesh is grass, and all the goodliness thereof is as the flower of the field:"
Isa 40:7: "The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: because the spirit of the LORD bloweth upon it: surely the people is grass."
Isa 40:8: "The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand forever."       


I will ask you a question what do you think God has been doing since the flood resting or creating.

Love and peace
Dave

'Trust in the LORD with all thine heart;
and lean not unto thine own understanding.
In all thy ways acknowledge Him,
and He shall direct thy paths.
Be not wise in thine own eyes:
fear the LORD,
and depart from evil.'

(Pro 3:5-7) 

Hello Dave,

I prefer not to lean to my own understanding.  If we are told anything in God's word, we know it is true, and can be assured of it.  If we choose to place our own interpretation on what is written then we are liable to fall into error, and sadly cause others to fall too.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

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Re: Genesis
« Reply #76 on: August 01, 2020, 02:42:28 PM »
Hi Chris
A rather disappointing answer are you saying we should not think about Gods word should never contemplate what he has to say as far as genesis is concerned God created everything in 6 24 hour days and rested and has rested ever since because there is nothing in scripture that says he resumed work.
If what I say is wrong and it may well be please shoot it down in flames but with scripture or a better interpretation of the scripture I give to support what I say.
My view is God began his creation in the Beginning and it end with the amen in revelations it is a continues story of creation  the last thing to be created is Man in the image of God and the only one in the whole of scripture who fits that description is Jesus Christ our Lord.
If there is something wrong with that view please tell me I would be very grateful yes you are right Gods word is the truth and I will change my point of view in a flash if Gods word proves me wrong But I will not change it for men's opinion there are enough opinions of men out there to fill the  British library but I prefer to believe Gods word which is the truth.

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Re: Genesis
« Reply #77 on: August 01, 2020, 09:42:36 PM »
Hi Chris
A rather disappointing answer are you saying we should not think about Gods word should never contemplate what he has to say as far as genesis is concerned God created everything in 6 24 hour days and rested and has rested ever since because there is nothing in scripture that says he resumed work.

Love and Peace
Dave   

Jesus said, "My Father is always at His work to this very day."  (John 5:17)
"Blessed is the one who always trembles before God,
but whoever hardens their heart falls into trouble." (Proverbs 28:14)

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Re: Genesis
« Reply #78 on: August 01, 2020, 09:51:26 PM »
We seem to have skipped over the creation of the first man:

"Then the LORD God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being." (Genesis 2:7)

God is depicted here as a potter:
"You, LORD, are our Father.
We are the clay, You are the potter;
we are all the work of your hand."
(Isaiah 64:8 )
The creation of Adam is not a unique event; this is true of each and every one of us (I Corinthians 15:47,48).  We are all 'formed from dust' (Psalm 103:14).
Physically, man is nothing special - he is made from the same 'dust' as all other creatures (and shares their biochemistry and physiology).  But our creation was something in which God was intimately involved; it was an act of giving as well as making. The whole process was intensely personal - like a kiss! This is what sets us apart from the rest of creation: the life-giving breath of God - the Holy Spirit.

"Blessed is the one who always trembles before God,
but whoever hardens their heart falls into trouble." (Proverbs 28:14)

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Re: Genesis
« Reply #79 on: August 02, 2020, 02:43:54 PM »
Hi Deborah
Thank you for your posts you Said.

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Jesus said, "My Father is always at His work to this very day."  (John 5:17)

This is perfectly True and if the Father was working up to the time John wrote this then it means God has not rested which mean his sabbath rest is a future event.

Heb 4:9  There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.    

It also mean creation is ongoing.

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"Then the LORD God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being." (Genesis 2:7)

God is depicted here as a potter:
"You, LORD, are our Father.
We are the clay, You are the potter;
we are all the work of your hand." (Isaiah 64:8 )
The creation of Adam is not a unique event; this is true of each and every one of us (I Corinthians 15:47,48).  We are all 'formed from dust' (Psalm 103:14).
Physically, man is nothing special - he is made from the same 'dust' as all other creatures (and shares their biochemistry and physiology).  But our creation was something in which God was intimately involved; it was an act of giving as well as making. The whole process was intensely personal - like a kiss! This is what sets us apart from the rest of creation: the life-giving breath of God - the Holy Spirit.     


In a way this is in agreement with evolution which If I understand it correctly is all those tiny compounds which make up the earth were joined together in the right order the only thing they don't agree on is who put life into them it was God.
God as the potter he moulds us  has he wants us to be for his purpose what ever that mite be.
it is only after Christ was glorified that the spirit was given.

  Joh 7:39  Now this he said about the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were to receive, for as yet the Spirit had not been given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.      

Love and Peace
Dave
 


 

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