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Re: Genesis
« Reply #64 on: July 28, 2020, 06:19:24 PM »
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Sorry  Deborah but there is only one person in the whole of scripture who is said to be the image of God  and that is Jesus Christ  our Lord

         Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
Hebrews 1:3 KJV
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This is said of no other person in the whole of scripture Christ is the image of God the Father unless of course we include Israel if we compare the life of Israel and the life of Christ  we will find many corresponding  points far to many to be a coincidence  Israel is the man of flesh which must come first then the man of spiri which  is Christ.

I believe that when God said let us make man in our image he meant mankind as a whole the whole human race who will occupy  the new heaven and earth after the millennium  Gods Sabbath rest  is Christs millennial reign.

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Well Dave, you do like the KJV, but I find it problematic here as well. The Greek word it translates as 'image' is different here. Christ is "the exact representation" of God's being - something more than just an image, actually.

God created (past tense) man in His image in Genesis 1. That's man as a species, not just Adam - male and female. Because we sinned, the image has been distorted, but it's still there because God says to Noah in Genesis, "Whoever sheds human blood, by humans shall their blood be shed; for in the image of God has God made mankind." (Genesis 9:6)

In other words, it isn't just Christ. It's all of us. But Christ displays God's image in a more exact and powerful way than we do.

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Re: Genesis
« Reply #65 on: July 29, 2020, 11:34:50 AM »
@davetaff

Hello there,

I was under the impression that this was a study on the book of Genesis, but looking back over it, it seems that it is more about a discussion of your theories Dave, for time and again it is brought back to that. I was also told by you, when I enquired, that this section of the forum was for Bible study, and not debate, yet you are creating debate. 

The Bible is God breathed, and the writers merely the pen with which it has been written.  Why don't we just let it speak.

Thank you
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Re: Genesis
« Reply #66 on: July 29, 2020, 12:47:39 PM »
Well Dave, you do like the KJV, but I find it problematic here as well. The Greek word it translates as 'image' is different here. Christ is "the exact representation" of God's being - something more than just an image, actually.

Hi deborah
Thank you for your reply  to me image and representation  mean more or less the same thing if you would like to to use representation  thats fine it still dose not change anything  Christ is the exact representation  of God the Father           


God created (past tense) man in His image in Genesis 1. That's man as a species, not just Adam - male and female. Because we sinned, the image has been distorted, but it's still there because God says to Noah in Genesis, "Whoever sheds human blood, by humans shall their blood be shed; for in the image of God has God made mankind." (Genesis 9:6)

    that God created mankind is not in question what is in question is what dose man in the image of God look like  and like I said above the only one in the whole of scripture that fit the bill is Christ  at his second coming and becomes one with his bribe

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In other words, it isn't just Christ. It's all of us. But Christ displays God's image in a more exact and powerful way than we do.



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Dave

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Re: Genesis
« Reply #67 on: July 29, 2020, 01:10:13 PM »
@davetaff

Hello there,

I was under the impression that this was a study on the book of Genesis, but looking back over it, it seems that it is more about a discussion of your theories Dave, for time and again it is brought back to that. I was also told by you, when I enquired, that this section of the forum was for Bible study, and not debate, yet you are creating debate. 

The Bible is God breathed, and the writers merely the pen with which it has been written.  Why don't we just let it speak.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris





Hi Cariad
Thank you for your reply  yes it is a study of Genesis and what Gods word means to you or anybody else who would like to join in I only write what God has shown me basically it is the genesis account starting  with after the flood and ending at the end of Christs millennial reign its from this point of view I say what I say.
I have given scripture to support  what I say and as yet no one  has given me a better explanation.
We don't have to debate we can just post what the given scripture means to each individual after all we never know how what we say will effect all those who reed our posts.

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Dave

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Re: Genesis
« Reply #68 on: July 30, 2020, 02:39:53 PM »
'But there went up a mist from the earth,
and watered the whole face of the ground.
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground,
and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life;
and man became a living soul.'

(Genesis 2:5-6)   

* In 2:1-2:5 we can see that the world was being prepared to be inhabited.  Now in verse 6, we have the glorious creation of the first of mankind.  Formed as a Potter would form a work out of the clay. Isaiah says regarding Judah and Jerusalem in Isaiah 64:8,

'But now, O LORD, Thou art our father;
we are the clay, and Thou our potter;
and we all are the work of Thy hand.'


* God breathes into Adam's nostrils the breath of life, and he becomes a living soul.

Praise God!

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Chris


 


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Re: Genesis
« Reply #69 on: July 30, 2020, 04:19:33 PM »
'But there went up a mist from the earth,
and watered the whole face of the ground.
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground,
and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life;
and man became a living soul.'

(Genesis 2:5-6)   

* In 2:1-2:5 we can see that the world was being prepared to be inhabited.  Now in verse 6, we have the glorious creation of the first of mankind.  Formed as a Potter would form a work out of the clay. Isaiah says regarding Judah and Jerusalem in Isaiah 64:8,

'But now, O LORD, Thou art our father;
we are the clay, and Thou our potter;
and we all are the work of Thy hand.'


* God breathes into Adam's nostrils the breath of life, and he becomes a living soul.

Praise God!

In Christ Jesus
Chris


 



Hi Chris
Thank you for your post I have wondered about this verse when the mist covered all the ground where did the dust come from I have thought that the dust mite refer to all the atoms and molecules etc  that comprise our bodies but we still need the breath of life to make it all work.
Just a thought..

Then my mind turned to what God said to Abraham

     For all the land which thou seest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed for ever.  And I will make thy seed as the dust of the earth: so that if a man can number the dust of the earth, then shall thy seed also be numbered.
Genesis 13:15-‬16 KJV
https://bible.com/bible/1/gen.13.15-16.KJV             


So God makes Abrahams seed as the dust of the earth and from them he creates Israel his son the words " out of Egypt l called my son " comes to mind.
So we see what happens before the flood happens after the flood be fore the flood is how God created everything  after the flood is how God would create man in his Image using the creation account as the bases for this creation.

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Dave


https://bible.com/bible/1/gen.13.15-16.KJV

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Re: Genesis
« Reply #70 on: July 30, 2020, 04:42:01 PM »
Hi Chris
Thank you for your post I have wondered about this verse when the mist covered all the ground where did the dust come from I have thought that the dust mite refer to all the atoms and molecules etc  that comprise our bodies but we still need the breath of life to make it all work.
Just a thought..
Hi Dave,

Are you thinking of 'God formed man of the dust of the ground', and the fact that the ground watered by the mist, would no longer have the consistency of 'dust'? If so, I don't think that matters, for it was still dust, which had been moistened by the mist rising out of the ground.  Though formed so, it would be lifeless, the form of a man, with no life within it.  Only God could breath the breath of life into that form, and make it live.

* Our bodies consist of the same constituents which make up the earth don't they? I saw a break down of all of them once, and that is a source of wonder and amazement to me.

 * I hope I am not misunderstanding you, Dave, if so, you must tell me. 
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Then my mind turned to what God said to Abraham

For all the land which thou seest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed for ever.  And I will make thy seed as the dust of the earth: so that if a man can number the dust of the earth, then shall thy seed also be numbered.
Genesis 13:15-‬16 KJV


So God makes Abraham's seed as the dust of the earth and from them he creates Israel his son the words " out of Egypt l called my son " comes to mind.
So we see what happens before the flood happens after the flood be fore the flood is how God created everything  after the flood is how God would create man in his Image using the creation account as the bases for this creation.

Love and Peace
Dave

* In Genesis 13:15-16, God says that Israel would become like the dust of the earth, in that, like the grains of dust, they will be so many in number that they will be innumerable.  That is the only reason they are compared to the dust of the earth.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

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Re: Genesis
« Reply #71 on: July 31, 2020, 12:39:00 PM »
Hi Chris
Thank you for a good post helpful to those who read it when I speak of Abrahams seed being created into man I mean man in the image of God not an ordenary man.
We must keep in mind the the first Adam God created died before the flood he was contaminated by the angles that fell so it was nessarsery  to create a new man in his image was it not.
So God sets about the creation of man in his image with those that was on the ark this would take some time from Noah to when Israel came out of Egypt .

So let's get back on track

      And out of the ground made the Lord God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
Genesis 2:9 KJV
https://bible.com/bible/1/gen.2.9.KJV           


I have wondered quite a lot about these trees  I believe the tree of life is Christ the tree of knowledge would be the first Adam before the flood and after the flood it would be the law given to Israel the knowledge of good and evil is what the law tells us.

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Dave
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