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Re: Genesis
« Reply #56 on: July 24, 2020, 10:44:19 PM »
Hi Cariad

Some peculiarities of the Hebrew language:

Hebrew has two forms of the plural - a 'normal' plural as in English, which can refer to any number of items, but also a special (duplicate) form that signifies just two in number. This 'duplicate' plural is used for eyes, ears, wings, and other things that normally come in twos.
The strange thing is that there are three words that are never found in the singular, but only in this duplicate plural form: "heaven", "water" and "Egypt". Why? We don't know. There were two Egypts ("Upper Egypt" and "Lower Egypt"), and it's possible that the Hebrews thought of there being two heavens, but two waters?

The little particle 'eth' actually performs a grammatical function, marking the object of the sentence. It's not emphasising anything.

Hello @Deborah,

Thank you for this helpful post. Yes, it is strange.  So, these three words are never found in a singular form, but always in the duplicate form (heaven, water & Egypt). 

I do understand about 'eth' already to a degree: I have read that in Scripture,'eth,' emphasises the word to which it is attached; generally preceding and indicating the accusative.

I have read that in the thirteen times the term 'The Heaven and The Earth' is used, the article 'The' is always preceded by the particle 'eth', except in Genesis 2:1.

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Re: Genesis
« Reply #57 on: July 26, 2020, 02:52:29 PM »
Hi
sorry ladies I know very little about the English language let alone Hebrew so can't comment :embarrassed:

so I will move on.

  Gen 2:4  These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,      

I have only taken this verse I know there are many interpretations of Genesis 2 so it can give us a chance to voice our opinions I like to think of Genesis 2 as an explanation of Genesis 1 a more detailed account of the process of creation emphasis on the creation of Man and Woman.
 As we see here the word heavens is used meaning more than one St Paul tells us.

2Co 12:2  I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven.            

So dose this mean that for each creation from the beginning to the flood from the flood to Christ and from Christ to the end of revelations so for each new creation stage there is a new heaven just for that part of creation and we Know that at the end of the millennium God will create a new heaven and earth.
so dose this mean that there is a new heaven for each stage of creation it is Gods guiding influence for that stage of creation it has a special purpose just for that period of time.

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Re: Genesis
« Reply #58 on: July 26, 2020, 04:03:03 PM »

  Gen 2:4  These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,       

I have only taken this verse I know there are many interpretations of Genesis 2 so it can give us a chance to voice our opinions I like to think of Genesis 2 as an explanation of Genesis 1 a more detailed account of the process of creation emphasis on the creation of Man and Woman.



Yes - Genesis 2 is a retelling of the creation story from Man's viewpoint, delineating his relationships with God, with his environment, with the rest of the animal kingdom, and with other people.
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but whoever hardens their heart falls into trouble." (Proverbs 28:14)

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Re: Genesis
« Reply #59 on: July 26, 2020, 04:11:26 PM »
'These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth
when they were created,
in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,'

(Genesis 2:4)   

* This is the start of the first of fourteen family histories in Scripture, in which we see the heaven and the earth being inhabited by man as God intended: beginning with the creation of Adam and Eve:-

-  Genesis 2:4-25:- Before the fall (man in probation).
-  Genesis 3:1-24:- The fall of man.
-  Genesis 4:1-26:- After the Fall, (man in ruin).

'For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens;
God Himself that formed the earth and made it;
He hath established it,
He created it not in vain,
He formed it to be inhabited
:
I Am the LORD;
and there is none else
.'

(Isaiah 45:18)   

Thank you. 

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Re: Genesis
« Reply #60 on: July 27, 2020, 01:29:42 PM »
Hi
Thank you for your replies ladies.
Looking at the next verse.

     And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.
Genesis 2:5 KJV
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It seams that this is saying that all the plants of the field existed but had not begun to grow was this part of all the things that were on the ark and there was no man to till the ground.
What kind of man are we talking about is it an ordenary  man or is it a man in Gods image who was to plough the world to produce fruit to God is the rain referred to a reference to the water of the word of God  which was nessarsary  for the growth of Gods people in the world.
Of course I am working on the day being a 1000 years long and the first man created to plough the world was Israel.

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Dave
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Re: Genesis
« Reply #61 on: July 27, 2020, 03:52:11 PM »
Hi
Thank you for your replies ladies.
Looking at the next verse.

     And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.
Genesis 2:5 KJV
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It seams that this is saying that all the plants of the field existed but had not begun to grow was this part of all the things that were on the ark and there was no man to till the ground.
What kind of man are we talking about is it an ordenary  man or is it a man in Gods image who was to plough the world to produce fruit to God is the rain referred to a reference to the water of the word of God  which was nessarsary  for the growth of Gods people in the world.
Of course I am working on the day being a 1000 years long and the first man created to plough the world was Israel.

Love and Peace
Dave

Verses 5 & 6 belong together:
"Now no shrub had yet appeared on the earth and no plant had yet sprung up, for the LORD God had not sent rain on the earth and there was no-one to work the ground, but streams came up from the earth and watered the whole surface of the ground." (v 5,6)

This means that the earth was ?untamed?; there was as yet no cultivation. (The writer lived in an agricultural society and is probably thinking of food plants here) The world that God had made was good, and full of potential ? but it needed a manager (Man) in order to fulfil that potential.

'Ordinary' man is in God's image, as far as I'm concerned. Nowhere does the Bible refer to any other type of man.

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Re: Genesis
« Reply #62 on: July 28, 2020, 12:56:40 PM »
Hi
It seams I'm  missing a post from Cariad  but will do my best to answer it because I feel it is very important it concerns  this snippet from St peter

         For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:  Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:  But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.  But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
2 Peter 3:5-‬8 KJV
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I don't  think this needs an interpretation it is a plan statement of fact the first earth God created God destroyed in the flood  then God began a new creation with everything  that was on the ark the only thing missing on the ark was man in Gods image so God sets about to rectify  this it will take 6 days of 1000 years each the man in Gods image we are talking about of course is jesus Christ  at his second comming when he is united with his bride never forgetting  that man in Gods image is man and woman united as one.

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        Ordinary' man is in God's image, as far as I'm concerned. Nowhere does the Bible refer to any other type of man               

Sorry  Deborah but there is only one person in the whole of scripture who is said to be the image of God  and that is Jesus Christ  our Lord

         Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
Hebrews 1:3 KJV
https://bible.com/bible/1/heb.1.3.KJV       


This is said of no other person in the whole of scripture Christ is the image of God the Father unless of course we include Israel if we compare the life of Israel and the life of Christ  we will find many corresponding  points far to many to be a coincidence  Israel is the man of flesh which must come first then the man of spiri which  is Christ.

I believe that when God said let us make man in our image he meant mankind as a whole the whole human race who will occupy  the new heaven and earth after the millennium  Gods Sabbath rest  is Christs millennial reign.

Love and Peace
Dave
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Re: Genesis
« Reply #63 on: July 28, 2020, 02:54:32 PM »
* This is the missing post, @davetaff, filled out a little:-

'These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created,
in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,
And every plant of the field before it was in the earth,
and every herb of the field before it grew:
for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth,
and there was not a man to till the ground.'

(Gen 2:4-5)

* I notice the title, 'the Lord God', in verse 4 (above), for this is it's first occurrence: it is a combination of two of the names attributed to God:-  'Jehovah' (Lord) and 'Elohim' (God): 'Elohim' is the name of God as the Creator of all things, and 'Jehovah' is the name of God in covenant relation with those whom He has created.  So their use together here is important in the light of the subject matter.

* God made every plant and herb  'before' it was in the earth, 'before' it grew.  'For,' or 'because,' there had been no rain, and there was not a man to till the ground. This is an expansion of ch. 1:11-12, giving details. (There is possibly another reason in v.6 according to 'Figures of Speech used in Scripture' Vol 2 P.94).

* Dave: in regard to your reference to 2 Peter 3:8:- ' ... But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day';  I suggest you look at the context carefully before you use it in the way that you are doing.  For what is said there, in verse 8, is said in response to what is said by the scoffers in verse 4:- ' ... Where is the promise of His coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.'; and is followed by the words of verse 9:- ' ... The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance'; and should be considered in the light of Psalm 90:4 (below), which, like 2 Peter 3:8, illustrates that God's perspective on time is not like our own. It was not intended to be used as a measure of time, but to console those who were waiting for the Lord's coming, and to silence the scoffers of verse 3:-

'For a thousand years in Thy sight
are but as yesterday when it is past,
and as a watch in the night.'

(Psalm 90:4)
 
Thank you

 

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