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Re: Genesis
« Reply #48 on: July 23, 2020, 08:25:32 PM »
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God's work of creation took place over six 'days', followed by a seventh day of rest. The number seven is both symbolic and sacred; the significance here is that the universe was, in one sense, intended to be God's Temple.  During the first three days, God constructed it; during the second three days He furnished it; finally He installed His 'image' (human beings) in it. On the seventh day He takes up residence there - and begins to enjoy it!

So God rested on the seventh day - not because He was weary, but because there was nothing left for Him to do. His 'rest' is relative, not absolute; it isn't inactivity. He continues to look after His creation, and He performs acts of grace and salvation (John 5:17).
Yet by finishing His work of creation after six days He established the principle of 'Sabbath' -  a pattern of universal significance, not confined to the people of God. This is what makes the seventh day 'holy', i.e. different from the other days of the week.
But in another sense, there is no end to the seventh 'day'; it is ongoing. So everyone who has fellowship with their Creator God will participate in His rest (Hebrews 4:9,10).

"Blessed is the one who always trembles before God,
but whoever hardens their heart falls into trouble." (Proverbs 28:14)

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Re: Genesis
« Reply #49 on: July 23, 2020, 08:31:45 PM »
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         Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.  And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.  And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
Genesis 2:1-‬3 KJV     


The question here is was everything  so good thousands of years ago we can see from the Genesis account that things were far from good Adam and Eve had eaten from the tree of knowledge  and God knew everything  that was going to happen in the future.


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Dave

But Adam and Eve haven't eaten the fruit yet - that belongs to the next story. God's original creation was good - we spoiled it.


the strange thing is God says

    For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.?
Genesis 3:5 ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/gen.3.5.ESV             


So it seams if we are to be created into the image of God we must have a knowledge  of good and evil and of course we must ch?se the good in other  words choose to Love.

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Dave

But God doesn't "say" that - the words you're quoting are the words of the devil, and he's lying!
https://bible.com/bible/59/gen.3.5.ESV
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Re: Genesis
« Reply #50 on: July 23, 2020, 10:47:17 PM »
'Thus the heavens and the earth were finished,
and all the host of them.
And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had made;
and he rested on the seventh day from all Hs work which He had made.
And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it:
because that in it He had rested from all His work which God created and made.'

(Genesis 2:1)

* The heavens and the earth were finished.  The words 'the heavens and the earth' are always plural and accompanied by the Hebrew article, 'eth', emphasising the word, 'THE', as they do in Genesis 1:1 and the 12 other usages: except here in chapter 2:1.  Heavens in Hebrew is always plural. Why is this?  I believe, that it is because the heavens and the earth 'which are now'(2 Pet. 3:7), are not that recorded in Genesis 1:1.  I believe that the earth 'became' without form and void, for it was certainly not made so.  Therefore the record of chapter one is a re-creation of what had become 'without form and void' in Genesis 1:2: possibly as an act of judgement. 

* The work of creation was finished on the sixth day: and on the seventh God rested; not from fatigue but because of achievement, the word 'create' implying perfection . The work of creation was finished!.  The only thing God did on the seventh day was to sanctify it, or set it apart, because in it He had rested, ceased from His labour.

*  Genesis 1:1 - 2:3 is the summary: chapter 2:4-25 gives the details of chapter 1.  Chapter 2:9-14 comes historically between verses 12 and 13 of chapter one.

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Re: Genesis
« Reply #51 on: July 24, 2020, 10:45:41 AM »
But Adam and Eve haven't eaten the fruit yet - that belongs to the next story. God's original creation was good - we spoiled it.

The second coming of Christ
But God doesn't "say" that - the words you're quoting are the words of the devil, and he's lying!

Hi Deborah
Thank you for your reply  as you say Adam and Eve had not eaten of thr tr?e of knowledge  but God knew they would so could God pronouceat that time that things were good as I see it the only time in human history that God could say this is at the second coming of Christ.

Yes you are right the devil did say as quoted but then a little further on  God says

            Then the Lord God said, ?Behold, the man has become like one of us in knowing good and evil. Now, lest he reach out his hand and take also of the tree of life and eat, and live forever??
Genesis 3:22 ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/gen.3.22.ESV       


So it seams to me God has confirmed what the devil  said so was the devil lying in this instance? So as I have said many times before good and evil must exist in the world so we can make a freewill  choice to love God cannot program us to love it would not be love.

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Re: Genesis
« Reply #52 on: July 24, 2020, 11:07:34 AM »
Hi Deborah
Thank you for your reply  as you say Adam and Eve had not eaten of thr tr?e of knowledge  but God knew they would so could God pronouceat that time that things were good as I see it the only time in human history that God could say this is at the second coming of Christ.

Yes you are right the devil did say as quoted but then a little further on  God says

            Then the Lord God said, ?Behold, the man has become like one of us in knowing good and evil. Now, lest he reach out his hand and take also of the tree of life and eat, and live forever??
Genesis 3:22 ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/gen.3.22.ESV       


So it seams to me God has confirmed what the devil  said so was the devil lying in this instance?

Hi there Dave.

"Knowing good and evil" is a Hebrew idiom for moral maturity.

What Adam and Eve gained from eating the fruit in disobedience, though, was not moral maturity but experience of sin. They "knew" evil, but in the wrong way.

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So as I have said many times before good and evil must exist in the world so we can make a freewill  choice to love God cannot program us to love it would not be love.
Dave, I agree with you! As soon as God created living beings, the possibility of disobedience to His will also began to exist.

This was what the tree of the knowledge of good and evil represented. Adam had a free choice, whether or not to eat the fruit. Personally, I believe that if he had waited, he would have been allowed to eat it eventually. C S Lewis explores this idea in his book The Magician's Nephew - in which the fruit of the sacred tree has different effects, depending on whether it is eaten with permission, or without.



https://bible.com/bible/59/gen.3.22.ESV
"Blessed is the one who always trembles before God,
but whoever hardens their heart falls into trouble." (Proverbs 28:14)

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Re: Genesis
« Reply #53 on: July 24, 2020, 02:28:53 PM »
'Thus the heavens and the earth were finished,
and all the host of them.
And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had made;
and he rested on the seventh day from all Hs work which He had made.
And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it:
because that in it He had rested from all His work which God created and made.'

(Genesis 2:1)

* The heavens and the earth were finished.  The words 'the heavens and the earth' are always plural and accompanied by the Hebrew article, 'eth', emphasising the word, 'THE', as they do in Genesis 1:1 and the 12 other usages: except here in chapter 2:1.  Heavens in Hebrew is always plural. Why is this?  I believe, that it is because the heavens and the earth 'which are now'(2 Pet. 3:7), are not that recorded in Genesis 1:1.  I believe that the earth 'became' without form and void, for it was certainly not made so.  Therefore the record of chapter one is a re-creation of what had become 'without form and void' in Genesis 1:2: possibly as an act of judgement. 

* The work of creation was finished on the sixth day: and on the seventh God rested; not from fatigue but because of achievement, the word 'create' implying perfection . The work of creation was finished!.  The only thing God did on the seventh day was to sanctify it, or set it apart, because in it He had rested, ceased from His labour.

*  Genesis 1:1 - 2:3 is the summary: chapter 2:4-25 gives the details of chapter 1.  Chapter 2:9-14 comes historically between verses 12 and 13 of chapter one.

Praise God!



Hi  Cariad
Thank you for your reply I think the following words of St Peter may help.

      And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.  For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:  Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:  But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.  But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
2 Peter 3:4-‬8 KJV
https://bible.com/bible/1/2pe.3.4-8.KJV             


What he is saying is the first world God created perished he goes on to say the heavens and eathwhich are now which can only mean a new crreation after the flood then he goes on to tell us how long it will take 7 days 1000 years long.
Which I believe that puts us at the end of the 6th day or beginning  of the 7th

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Dave
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Re: Genesis
« Reply #54 on: July 24, 2020, 06:05:40 PM »
@davetaff.

'The world that then was' (2 Peter 3:6: - Genesis 1:2)

Hello there,

Yes, I referred to the verse you have quoted in my last entry (reply#50): in relation to Genesis 1:1, and the reference to the created earth becoming without form and void in Genesis 1:2. 

It is The Heavens and The Earth that were created in Genesis 1:1 that I believe to be 'the world that then was' of 2 Peter 3:6.  The earth becoming without form and void (Isaiah 45:18): it, being overflowed with water having perished (2 Peter 3:6).

'The heavens and earth which are now' (2 Peter 3:7) will continue until the time comes for 'the new heavens and the new earth' (2 Peter 3:13). 

The flood in Noah's day did not destroy the earth, only all flesh within it (Genesis 6:17, Genesis 9:15)), who had not taken refuge in the ark built for that purpose.

Thank you
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Re: Genesis
« Reply #55 on: July 24, 2020, 09:33:07 PM »

* The heavens and the earth were finished.  The words 'the heavens and the earth' are always plural and accompanied by the Hebrew article, 'eth', emphasising the word, 'THE', as they do in Genesis 1:1 and the 12 other usages: except here in chapter 2:1.  Heavens in Hebrew is always plural. Why is this?  I believe, that it is because the heavens and the earth 'which are now'(2 Pet. 3:7), are not that recorded in Genesis 1:1.  I believe that the earth 'became' without form and void, for it was certainly not made so.  Therefore the record of chapter one is a re-creation of what had become 'without form and void' in Genesis 1:2: possibly as an act of judgement. 


Hi Cariad

Some peculiarities of the Hebrew language:

Hebrew has two forms of the plural - a 'normal' plural as in English, which can refer to any number of items, but also a special (duplicate) form that signifies just two in number. This 'duplicate' plural is used for eyes, ears, wings, and other things that normally come in twos.
The strange thing is that there are three words that are never found in the singular, but only in this duplicate plural form: "heaven", "water" and "Egypt". Why? We don't know. There were two Egypts ("Upper Egypt" and "Lower Egypt"), and it's possible that the Hebrews thought of there being two heavens, but two waters?

The little particle 'eth' actually performs a grammatical function, marking the object of the sentence. It's not emphasising anything.
"Blessed is the one who always trembles before God,
but whoever hardens their heart falls into trouble." (Proverbs 28:14)

 

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