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Re: Genesis
« Reply #40 on: July 20, 2020, 04:33:55 PM »
Hi @davetaff
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I'm not one for changing Gods words If he says replenish then that's the word he wants us to have I have looked it up in Strongs

do I need to spend 20 years in Oxford to be able to understand Gods word

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As For the word Replenish I believe the KJV translation was under the inspiration of the holy Spirit and if God want's the word replenish there then that's good enough for me I'm not a great lover of changing God's word to suit our point of view.

Dave, the KJV is a  translation - so (1) it's not the word that God originally spoke, which was Hebrew (and in this case means 'fill', not 'refill') and (2) it's translated into 16th century English, not modern English.

It isn't God's word that's being changed, it's the English language that has changed! This is why we need modern English translations!

The problem with Strong's is that it's based entirely on the KJV and has no outside reference. And even Strongs is 130 years old now!

You wouldn't need "20 years in Oxford" to understand the Bible if you would only use a modern version - or at least refer to one to check your interpretation.
"Blessed is the one who always trembles before God,
but whoever hardens their heart falls into trouble." (Proverbs 28:14)

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Re: Genesis
« Reply #41 on: July 20, 2020, 04:37:56 PM »
v29-31
God needs nothing from us; on the contrary, it is He who provides for us and has put into this world everything that we need, just as He has provided for the rest of creation.

The universe is a unified whole, every part of it interdependent and complementary; it thus bears witness to the wisdom and greatness of its Maker (Psalm 104:24).
God takes delight in the world that He has made - and we too should appreciate, cherish and enjoy it. His world is inherently good, and so it cannot contaminate us or defile us (I Timothy 4:4).

The world was good - but not perfect (a different Hebrew word). The word 'good' does not imply absence of all negative features (from our point of view); pain, predation and death are not excluded. It means that the cosmos was 'running smoothly', as God intended it to. But it had the potential to develop and change; and that development should have been overseen by Man.
"Blessed is the one who always trembles before God,
but whoever hardens their heart falls into trouble." (Proverbs 28:14)

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Re: Genesis
« Reply #42 on: July 21, 2020, 02:26:43 PM »
Hi @davetaff
Dave, the KJV is a  translation - so (1) it's not the word that God originally spoke, which was Hebrew (and in this case means 'fill', not 'refill') and (2) it's translated into 16th century English, not modern English.

It isn't God's word that's being changed, it's the English language that has changed! This is why we need modern English translations!

The problem with Strong's is that it's based entirely on the KJV and has no outside reference. And even Strongs is 130 years old now!

You wouldn't need "20 years in Oxford" to understand the Bible if you would only use a modern version - or at least refer to one to check your interpretation.

Hi Deborah
Thank you for this reply and I know it is meant with the very best intentions I have taken a look on line at other translations and it boggles the mind the last list I looked at was 61 Bibles long so which one dose one pick so I think we will have to differ on this point I will stick to KJV and the ESV but prioritise the KJV.

Gen 9:1  And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth.      

May be we can agree on this use of replenish.

Love and Peace
Dave

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Re: Genesis
« Reply #43 on: July 22, 2020, 01:50:10 PM »
Hi
         Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.  And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.  And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
Genesis 2:1-‬3 KJV     


The question here is was everything  so good thousands of years ago we can see from the Genesis account that things were far from good Adam and Eve had eaten from the tree of knowledge  and God knew everything  that was going to happen in the future.
The crowning glory of God's  creation is man in his image and the only one who fits the bill is Jesus Christ at his second  com?ng so this can onle mean that God's  sabbath rest is still a future event as supported by the words of our Lord.

        But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.
John 5:17 KJV
https://bible.com/bible/1/jhn.5.17.KJV     


So the Father and son were working up to the time our Lord said these words which means God's sabbath rest is a future event and we can enter into that rest I believe that day of rest is Christs millennial  reign.
Creation is on going the end is still future.

Love and Peace
Dave
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Re: Genesis
« Reply #44 on: July 22, 2020, 03:46:11 PM »
'Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had made;
and he rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had made.
And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it:
because that in it He had rested from all His work which God created and made.'

(Genesis 2:1-3)

I think it would have been wonderful! It was all created by God, for His pleasure (Rev 4:11).  There was no sin to mar it: all was innocence.  God could walk in the cool of the evening amongst his creation and meet with Adam and Eve in the garden He had made (Genesis 3:8 ).  There would have been so much to look at and wonder at. Trees blossoming and bearing fruit, vegetables and herbs, flowers blooming and no weeds to choke them.  The birds and animals had no fear of man, so they would have roamed freely.  No rain, everything being watered by the dew rising.  The air fresh and clean.  Paradise!


So different now. Yet, one day paradise will be restored: including the tree of life (Rev.2:7 ). Sin will be vanquished: and God will once again, be all and in all (1 Corinthians 15:28).

Praise His Holy Name!


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Re: Genesis
« Reply #45 on: July 23, 2020, 01:18:54 PM »
Hi Cariad
Thank you for your reply you have painted a lovely picture the only problem I see is.

         And they heard the voice of the Lord God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the Lord God amongst the trees of the garden.
Genesis 3:8 KJV
https://bible.com/bible/1/gen.3.8.KJV       


As we can see things were not perfect Adam and Eve had eaten of the tree of knowledge and evil had entered the creation the strange thing is God says

    For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.?
Genesis 3:5 ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/gen.3.5.ESV             


So it seams if we are to be created into the image of God we must have a knowledge  of good and evil and of course we must ch?se the good in other  words choose to Love.

I think the world you are describing  is what God will create at the end of Chrsts millennium.

Love and Peace
Dave


https://bible.com/bible/1/gen.3.8.KJV
https://bible.com/bible/59/gen.3.5.ESV

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Re: Genesis
« Reply #46 on: July 23, 2020, 01:46:24 PM »
'Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had made;
and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had made.
And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it:
because that in it He had rested from all His work which God created and made.'

(Gen 2:1-3)
   
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Hello Dave,

Why are you leaping ahead of the reading?

* The reading in Genesis that you are following has not reached the account of the fall: so my thoughts relate to what pertained prior to it.

* In response to your comment, I would just like to say that: - man was made in the likeness of the image of God only: as the Lord Himself bore the likeness only of sinful flesh (Romans 8:3), for He Himself was without sin.  Believers will, by God's grace, ultimately bear the image of God's Son, who is the express  image of God (Hebrews 1:3).

* I hope you are not suggesting that it was God's will that man should disobey Him, in order for them to have the knowledge of good and evil?!!  For that would mean that you also believe that God was responsible for the entry of sin and it's consequence, which is death?!!  Surely you are not suggesting that?!! It would also mean that Satan was not responsible for the fall of Adam and Eve, but God?!!!  This surely isn't your belief, is it?

In Christ Jesus
Chris

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Re: Genesis
« Reply #47 on: July 23, 2020, 05:04:25 PM »
'Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had made;
and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had made.
And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it:
because that in it He had rested from all His work which God created and made.'

(Gen 2:1-3)
   
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Hello Dave,

Why are you leaping ahead of the reading?

* The reading in Genesis that you are following has not reached the account of the fall: so my thoughts relate to what pertained prior to it.

  Hi Cariad
Thank you for your reply we Have to remember that God knows the end from the beginning so he knew Adam and Eve would Eat of the tree of Knowledge I believe  the law is the tree of knowledge it tells us what sin is as you may remember I believe the creation account should be seen from after the flood to the end of revelations     


* In response to your comment, I would just like to say that: - man was made in the likeness of the image of God only: as the Lord Himself bore the likeness only of sinful flesh (Romans 8:3), for He Himself was without sin.  Believers will, by God's grace, ultimately bear the image of God's Son, who is the express  image of God (Hebrews 1:3).

We come to that same question what dose Man in the image of God look like He is Jesus Christ consists of two parts Christ the Head and his bride the church his body joined together as one this is Man ( mankind ) in the image of God not every individual man       

* I hope you are not suggesting that it was God's will that man should disobey Him, in order for them to have the knowledge of good and evil?!!  For that would mean that you also believe that God was responsible for the entry of sin and it's consequence, which is death?!!  Surely you are not suggesting that?!! It would also mean that Satan was not responsible for the fall of Adam and Eve, but God?!!!  This surely isn't your belief, is it?

who planted the tree I don't recall reading anywhere that the devil planted it but we do Know that God gave the Command not to eat of it but they did and broke the law admittedly it was satan  who tempted them but it was Adam and Eve who chose to disobey and we have the same choice to make we are responsible for sin in the world not forgetting that we have to make a freewill  choice to Love God and Love our neighbour and to make a choice we must have at leased two things to choose from

Love and Peace
Dave     


In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

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