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Re: Genesis
« Reply #32 on: July 08, 2020, 06:41:41 PM »
Day 4
Mankind has always been fascinated by the stars (astronomy is the oldest science); but wonder has often led to worship rather than to adoration of their Creator.  The sun and moon are only "lights", not gods; they are material objects that obey the laws of physics! Similarly, it is the nature of the earth's rotation and orbit that determines the alternation of day and night and the regular cycle of the seasons. The orderly movements of the heavenly bodies have enabled us to construct a calendar; but, despite the ingenuity of astrologers, they have no power or influence over our lives and destinies.

.  Hi Deborah
Thank you for your reply like I said in my post the words sun and moon are not mentioned just the words lights and Christ is the Light of the world the church is the reflected light of Christ the words of St Paul come to mind we see in a glass darkly.
I have never said the sun and moon are God's and should be worshipped the question is when was the sun and moon and the earth created if the sun was created on day four how could all the plant life created on day three survive my answer is   

         1  In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth           



Day 5
On this day the population of the Earth begins. The first realms to teem with life are the oceans and the skies. All creatures - big and small, common and rare - have a place in God's world. Even the great sea monsters (of which the ancients were so terrified) have been made by God.
Even after so many species have become extinct, there is still an immense variety: big and small, simple and complex, common and rare.


  that God created all the creature in the sea and the air is not in question all I am saying is it should be interpreted different in the creation after the flood the only thing missing after the flood was man in the image of God and this is the creation God begins it will take 6 days to complete 6000 years.
       


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Re: Genesis
« Reply #33 on: July 12, 2020, 02:20:01 PM »
Hi
Next section will take this in two parts.

.   24  And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.

 25  And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

 26  And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth       



So before the flood God create all the animals that would inhabit the world he says every living thing that breadth on the ground I take this to mean human beings as well.
Then God says let's make man in our image I take this to mean all the humans living at that time it would not be possible for one man and one woman to look after the whole world.

How can we read the sixth day after the flood it's all about creating mankind in the image of God it will take a thousand years to complete the man will be created through the preaching of the gospel as it started to intensify and spread to all parts of the world.

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Re: Genesis
« Reply #34 on: July 19, 2020, 01:29:05 PM »
Hi
Next section.

         And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.  And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.  And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.  And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
Genesis 1:28-‬31 KJV
https://bible.com/bible/1/gen.1.28-31.KJV     


This is rather strange God uses the words replenish the earth this can only mean that there were human beings who ceased  to exist this can only apply to after the flood.
God goes on to tell us that he has provided for all the needs of all living creatures  in relation to food so why are there so many hungry and thirsty in the world the reason of course what God has provided is not shared out fairly one has to much anther has nothing .
Everything  God had created was very good unfortunately  mankind is destroying it let us pray for God to step in and put a stop to it by sending our Lord Jesus to us.

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Re: Genesis
« Reply #35 on: July 19, 2020, 09:36:51 PM »
v26-28
Man is a very late arrival on the scene, but he is no afterthought; he's the climax of God's creative work, and its completion. Biologically, we are part of the animal kingdom, but we differs from the other animals, in that God was more intimately involved in our creation.

What is it about us that constitutes "God?s image"? It can't refer to our physical appearance, because God is spirit and has no form. Also, the differences between the sexes are very obvious, and are not just physical! Yet both men and women are made in God?s image.
Unlike other animals, we are able to communicate with God and have a relationship with Him; and in consequence, we have a sense of morality, and the ability (and responsibility) to make moral choices.

Because of our sin, the image of God can be seen clearly only in Jesus Christ (Colossians 1:15). But it is being 'recreated' in all those who have been born again (Colossians 3:9,10).

God blessed them and said to them, 'Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it.' As the bearers of God's image, we are His representatives on earth (Psalm 8:4-6). This is a great privilege - but also a great responsibility, for the world still belongs to God, and we are accountable to Him for our stewardship of it.

Incidentally, the fact the earth needed 'subduing' suggests that there were some aspects of God's creation that were less than ideal - even, perhaps, unruly!

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This is rather strange God uses the words replenish the earth this can only mean that there were human beings who ceased to exist this can only apply to after the flood.
This is one of the dangers of using the KJV - the meaning of the word 'replenish' has changed! It used to mean 'fill abundantly', now it means 'refill'. But the Hebrew word means 'fill', not 'refill'!
"Blessed is the one who always trembles before God,
but whoever hardens their heart falls into trouble." (Proverbs 28:14)

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Re: Genesis
« Reply #36 on: July 20, 2020, 12:12:20 PM »
'And God said,
.. Let us make man
.... in our image, after our likeness:
and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea,
.. and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle,
.... and over all the earth,
...... and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
So God created man in His own image,
.. in the image of God created He Him;
.... male and female created He them.'


* Here we see God's purpose stated, in the words, 'Let us': though the act is not described until Genesis 2:7, & 21-24. In the Hebrew, the word 'man' (Adam) is distinguished by an article 'eth', which identifies him to be the man (Adam) whose creation is described in Genesis 2, thus leaving no reason for doubt that this is so.

* The use of the words, 'image' and 'likeness', is a figure of speech where two words are used but only one meaning intended:- 'In the likeness of our image', referring to Elohim who had taken creature form in order to create (Colossians 1:15-17, Hebrews 1:3 & Revelation 3:14): compare, (Pro 8:22-23)  and (1Corinthians 11:3-11):-

' The LORD possessed me
in the beginning of His way,
before His works of old.
I was set up from everlasting,
from the beginning,
or ever the earth was.'


'But I would have you know,
.. that the head of every man is Christ;
.... and the head of the woman is the man;
...... and the head of Christ is God. 
Every man praying or prophesying,
.. having his head covered, dishonoureth his head. 
.... But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth
...... with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head:
........ for that is even all one as if she were shaven. 
.......... For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn:
............ but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered. 
For a man indeed ought not to cover his head,
.. forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God:
.... but the woman is the glory of the man. 
For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man. 
.. Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man. 
.... For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels.
Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman,
.. neither the woman without the man, in the Lord.'

 
* Yes, it refers only to outward form and not attributes.  So He later took human form in order to redeem, (John 1:14) 'And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.'
 
* Compare Revelation 4:11 with 5:9:-

'Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power:
for Thou hast created all things, and for Thy pleasure they are and were created.'

 
'And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof:
for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by Thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;'

 
 *So the Image and likeness is physical, and not moral.  Man fell and is a moral ruin, but some physical likeness to Elohim still remains (Genesis 9:6; 1 Corinthians 2:7; James 3:9), there is no indication that that similitude was ever lost (Genesis 5:3).


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Re: Genesis
« Reply #37 on: July 20, 2020, 01:05:30 PM »
'And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:
.. and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea,
.... and over the fowl of the air,
...... and over the cattle,
........ and over all the earth,
.......... and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
So God created man in His own image,
in the image of God created he Him;
male and female created He them.'


* The word, 'them', is emphasised in this verse: referring to Adam and Eve; though the creation of both Eve and Adam is described in 2:7. 20-23.

* As Deborah has said, the word, 'replenish', means 'fill', as in 1:22.  Though I can understand Dave questioning it, for why did the translators see fit to translate it 'replenish' there, when in every other occurrence of the original word it is translated 'fill'?

*  Re, the words, 'Have dominion', see Psalm 8 & Hebrews 2:6-8, 'but now ... not yet'.

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Re: Genesis
« Reply #38 on: July 20, 2020, 03:27:31 PM »
v26-28
Man is a very late arrival on the scene, but he is no afterthought; he's the climax of God's creative work, and its completion. Biologically, we are part of the animal kingdom, but we differs from the other animals, in that God was more intimately involved in our creation.

Agreed   

What is it about us that constitutes "God?s image"? It can't refer to our physical appearance, because God is spirit and has no form. Also, the differences between the sexes are very obvious, and are not just physical! Yet both men and women are made in God?s image.
Unlike other animals, we are able to communicate with God and have a relationship with Him; and in consequence, we have a sense of morality, and the ability (and responsibility) to make moral choices.

Because of our sin, the image of God can be seen clearly only in Jesus Christ (Colossians 1:15). But it is being 'recreated' in all those who have been born again (Colossians 3:9,10).

Man in the image of God Is Christ.

Heb 1:3  He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power. After making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,        

I have posted this verse many times and it always gets ignored but to me it is very plain to see that Christ is the only one in the whole of scripture who is said to be in the image of God and as such the end of creation   

Incidentally, the fact the earth needed 'subduing' suggests that there were some aspects of God's creation that were less than ideal - even, perhaps, unruly!

And the only one who can Put things right is Jesus Christ and he will do this at his second coming   

 This is one of the dangers of using the KJV - the meaning of the word 'replenish' has changed! It used to mean 'f
ill abundantly', now it means 'refill'. But the Hebrew word means 'fill', not 'refill'!

I'm not one for changing Gods words If he says replenish then that's the word he wants us to have I have looked it up in Strongs and it says.

    H4390
מָלָא    מָלֵא
mâlê'    mâlâ'
maw-lay', maw-law'
A primitive root, to fill or (intransitively) be full of, in a wide application (literally and figuratively): - accomplish, confirm, + consecrate, be at an end, be expired, be fenced, fill, fulfil, (be, become, X draw, give in, go) fully (-ly, -ly set, tale), [over-] flow, fulness, furnish, gather (selves, together), presume, replenish, satisfy, set, space, take a [hand-] full, + have wholly.
Total KJV occurrences: 251     


So It can mean many things including replenish which means refill   the English dictionary says

  replenish
/rɪˈplɛnɪʃ/
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verb
fill (something) up again.
"he replenished Justin's glass with mineral water"
Similar:
refill
top up
fill up
recharge
reload
freshen
plenish
Opposite:
emptyyears
restore (a stock or supply) to a former level or condition.
"all creatures need sleep to replenish their energies"     


The first choice is refill so the question is with all the choices we have what word dose God want us to use and would the creator of the universe allow men to interfere with his word and do I need to spend 20 years in Oxford to be able to understand Gods word   


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Re: Genesis
« Reply #39 on: July 20, 2020, 04:07:26 PM »
'And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:
.. and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea,
.... and over the fowl of the air,
...... and over the cattle,
........ and over all the earth,
.......... and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
So God created man in His own image,
in the image of God created he Him;
male and female created He them.'


 The word, 'them', is emphasised in this verse: referring to Adam and Eve; though the creation of both Eve and Adam is described in 2:7. 20-23.

* As Deborah has said, the word, 'replenish', means 'fill', as in 1:22.  Though I can understand Dave questioning it, for why did the translators see fit to translate it 'replenish' there, when in every other occurrence of the original word it is translated 'fill'?

*  Re, the words, 'Have dominion', see Psalm 8 & Hebrews 2:6-8, 'but now ... not yet'.

Hi Cariad
Nice to see your old user name back Love :thumbs_up:

It all boils down to what dose man in Gods image look like my answer is Christ at his second coming this is the end of Creation.
Mankind was created to look after God creation up to the present day all we have managed to do is the opposite which means god has not reached his Goal.

Gen 2:24  Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.    

As we can see from the above verse the man and Woman must become one flesh what dose that Mean I don't think this has anything to do with marriage between humans I believe this is a reference to the marriage of Christ to his bride the church Brother Paul explains this for us.

  Gal 3:28  There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.      

we will all be one in Christ this is the end of creation mankind in the image and likeness of God how wonderful is that.

The creation account in Genesis stretches from when God Created the heavens and the earth to the Amen in Revelations if it is not so it would mean God had failed several times and that is impossible.

As For the word Replenish I believe the KJV translation was under the inspiration of the holy Spirit and if God want's the word replenish there then that's good enough for me I'm not a great lover of changing God's word to suit our point of view.

Love and Peace
Dave

 

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