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Re: Genesis
« Reply #216 on: March 03, 2021, 12:50:51 PM »
Hi
Have been wondering about the following verse

     Gen 4:26 And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the LORD     

If men had begun to call on the name of the Lord why was it that only Noah was said to be righteous I find that strange anyone else have any thoughts on this.

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Re: Genesis
« Reply #217 on: March 11, 2021, 11:42:24 AM »
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So if people were calling on the name of God before the flood dose it mean there were believers if so why would God want to destroy them seems a bit strange don't  you think.
Or dose it mean that the flood was something good was it meant to cleanse all those who believed was it Gods way of saving those believers before the flood.

It reminds me a bit of what St Paul says in the NT

       If anyone?s work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire.
1 Corinthians 3:15 ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/1co.3.15.ESV     


We will be saved through fire dose this indicate that those who believed before the flood were saved through water I have difficulty thinking of the God of Love annihilating the human race except for eight people.
I much prefer thinking of him saving the human race.

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https://bible.com/bible/59/1co.3.15.ESV

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Re: Genesis
« Reply #218 on: March 13, 2021, 12:29:05 PM »
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Let's take a look at what God has to say to Noah

    1  And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth.

 2  And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every fowl of the air, upon all that moveth upon the earth, and upon all the fishes of the sea; into your hand are they delivered         


Here we see God giving everything into the hands of Noah and his sons and I think this would include all their descendents the human race and what a mess we've made of it thinking here of global warming of course.
But there is only one answer to the problem and that is the return of our king Jesus Christ so let us pray come Lord Jesus Come.

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Re: Genesis
« Reply #219 on: March 21, 2021, 11:49:32 AM »
Hi
Have been wondering about Noah and his three sons is this a kind of parable written in their lives.
Noah represents humanity which will produce three sons the Jew the Christian and the Muslim.
We see this three throughout scripture Abraham Isaac and Jacob then we have the three Kings Saul David and Solomon.
Let's take a look at Noahs sons Ham saw his father naked and told his brothers he told the truth but they did not believe him and covered them selves with a blanket and walked in backwards.
Then Noah said.

      25  And he said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren.

 26  And he said, Blessed be the LORD God of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant. note

 27  God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in the tents of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant       


So the son of the father Canaan became a curse as our Lord did cursed are all those who hang on a tree our Lord also became a servant to his brothers.

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Re: Genesis
« Reply #220 on: March 28, 2021, 01:26:29 PM »
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Keep on the thme of three we have Abraham Isaac and Jacob and it seams its Isaac who is blessed.

   Gen 17:19 And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him.     

Of course his seed is Jacob who later has his named changed to Israel which means he struggles with God which is so very true throughout Israel's history.
But whats interesting is the three and its the one in the middle who is the one singled out for distinction and we see this on the bigger plane the Jew the Christian and the Muslim but its Christ who is greater he is the son of God who takes away the sins of the world.

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Re: Genesis
« Reply #221 on: April 09, 2021, 01:44:09 PM »
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Jest thinking about day 4

       16  And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. note

 17  And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,

 18  And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.

 19  And the evening and the morning were the fourth day     


We are not told what these lights are only that they could be seen from earth on day 4.
So as I have said before that the creation account should be applied from the time of Noah after the flood and day 4 would be 4000 years after flood would be the time Christ came into the world the light of the world.
The lesser light would be the church which would rule over the dark period when our Lord is taken up to heaven.
Then we have the stars in Revelation we have

      Rev 1:20 The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches       

So are the stars in revelations those mentioned in Genesis are they angels interesting that what is said in Genesis can be applied to the time of our Lords first advent.

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Re: Genesis
« Reply #222 on: April 10, 2021, 06:48:52 PM »
Well Dave, Genesis 4:26 is a bit of a mystery or perhaps a better word would be that it seems ambiguous, or the meaning is somewhat elusive!
It seems that interpretations are divided on the meaning here....one being that men began to be profane or abusive towards God and the other that they began to 'call upon the name of the Lord'...depending upon how the Hebrew word, הוּחַ֔ל (huhal) either meaning 'begin to' or its associated word meaning to 'bore' or 'pierce'.   It would indeed be interesting if it did mean something akin to 'pierce' since our Lord was indeed pierced and I wonder if he wasn't pierced from the foundation of the world if he was 'slain' from the foundation of the world!  Anyway that diversion aside - it cannot be the case that people didn't call on the name of the Lord until Enosh, since Adam was the first to be mentioned to be communicating with God.  Abel his son was not only calling upon the name of the Lord, but offering the first fruits sacrifice to Him.  In Genesis 5:22 Enoch "walked with God"....
...Yet in Genesis 6:5-8 we find: "The Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intention of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. 6 And the Lord regretted that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him to his heart. 7 So the Lord said, ?I will blot out man whom I have created from the face of the land, man and animals and creeping things and birds of the heavens, for I am sorry that I have made them.? 8 But Noah found favor in the eyes of the Lord."  >> indicating that few if any apart from Noah were genuinely "calling on the name of the Lord".  So either the people DID call on the name of the Lord and then backslid, OR, Genesis 4:26 means something else and not that men "began to call on the name of the Lord" ?
  Either way in Genesis 6:17-18 "For behold, I will bring a flood of waters upon the earth to destroy all flesh in which is the breath of life under heaven. Everything that is on the earth shall die. 18 But I will establish my covenant with you, and you shall come into the ark, you, your sons, your wife, and your sons' wives with you."
....God seemed to 'wipe his hands' of that generation except for Noah and his family, who he made a covenant with!  The other active word in Genesis 4:26 is לִקְרֹ֖א which has the meaning: "to call, proclaim or read" - so there's little to be argued about there.
In Genesis 4:25, Eve is still believing in faith in God as she says: "God has appointed for me another offspring instead of Abel, for Cain killed him." with the name Seth having an association with "set or put" and this makes sense  in the verse if we see that God is "setting things right" by giving Eve another child in place of Abel who loved and served God, when she says in faith, "God has appointed me another".  And it would appear that in this godly heritage, that Enosh being born to Seth, also would have inherited Eve and Seth's devotion to God - with Enoch 3 or 4 generations later, being said to have, 'walked with God'.
  The one thing I would say is that the word "men" is not part of the Hebrew text of Genesis 4:26.  It is for the sake of interpreted meaning included, giving rise to "men began to call upon the name of the Lord"- but the word 'men' is not actually there!  This does leave room for an alternative explanation in that it could be Enosh that began to call upon the name of the Lord!  Personally for me, that would make more sense of the text, but I'm afraid it is all up in the air!
In summary, if men did "begin to call upon the name of the Lord", then by the time of Noah, this active pursuit of God must have come to an end apart from Noah and his family - hence God destroying all other people.

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Re: Genesis
« Reply #223 on: April 11, 2021, 11:45:38 AM »
Hi brother
And welcome to the forum I enjoyed your opening post for my self I believe Genesis is the bedrock of the bible especially Genesis 1& 2 of course there is a lot more to Genesis as you have pointed out.
I have wondered about why when people were calling on the name of God why only Noah was said to be righteous.
Did God just choose him out of all those in the world at that time to use him for his own purpose of course there is no mention of his sons and their wives being righteous.
We know also that the angels came down and cohabited with the women and evil abounded and as a result God destroyed that world and everything in it.
My contention is God began a new creation with Noah and everything on the ark the onlything missing was man in his image this would be achieved in Jesus Christ it would take 6 days 1000 years long based on the creation account in Genesis.

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