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« Reply #192 on: December 11, 2020, 08:30:03 AM »
Dave,
       Are you totally ignorant of expressions of speech etc.
Jesus called himself a door, so should we treat doors as being Jesus.
 God uses expressions of speech, calling Israel his son is a way of saying they as a collection of tribes were special.

As the of repeatedly shows God chose the Jews to be his special people, that he chose them out of love, to be an example to the world.
        You have to identify what are figures of speech and what are already identified in scripture as prophetic or significant.

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« Reply #193 on: December 11, 2020, 10:57:58 AM »
Dave,
       Are you totally ignorant of expressions of speech etc.
Jesus called himself a door, so should we treat doors as being Jesus.
 God uses expressions of speech, calling Israel his son is a way of saying they as a collection of tribes were special.

As the of repeatedly shows God chose the Jews to be his special people, that he chose them out of love, to be an example to the world.
        You have to identify what are figures of speech and what are already identified in scripture as prophetic or significant.

Hi John
Thank you for your reply I'm not sure God would waste our time with figures of speech I believe the word of God means what it says and saying something is a figure of speech is just a cop out for refusing to believe Gods word.
Let's look at Jesus as the door

       Joh 10:9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture       

We can take this as a statement of fact through Christ the door we are saved through him we enter the millennium through him we receive eternal life through him we come to God the Father.
So calling our Lord the door is an excellent description and not a figure of speech.

Then we have

       
          Hos 11:1 When Israel was a child, then I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt       


Then we have

    Mat 2:15 And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son       

As we can plainly see this prophecy applies to both Israel and Christ they are both Gods son or are you say Chist is not God's son because its only a figure of speech.

Then we have

        Rom 12:5 So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another   

So Christ is the Head and we are the body this is man in the image of God.

      Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation.  The old has passed away; behold, the new has come.
2 Corinthians 5:17 ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/2co.5.17.ESV     


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Dave
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« Reply #194 on: December 12, 2020, 01:14:04 PM »
Hi
Let's take a look at the following text.

    Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation.  The old has passed away; behold, the new has come.
2 Corinthians 5:17 ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/2co.5.17.ESV                   


So in Christ we are a new creation and this creation has nothing to do with the creation of the earth or vegetation or animals or even human beings it is a new creation of man in the image of God.
We know Christ is the Image Of God but he can only be this when united to his bride so who is his bride she has to be the church.
 
      27  So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them     

       24  Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh       


So as we see from the above man in Gods image is man and woman joined together as one flesh.
We also know that Christs bride his woman and helper consists of numerous people not one.
So Christ is the end of creation the last Adam.

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« Reply #195 on: December 13, 2020, 12:12:54 AM »
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We know Christ is the Image Of God but he can only be this when united to his bride so who is his bride she has to be the church.

Who says this or where does it state this?

Hebrews 1 talks about God the Father talking about Jesus...as God.

1On many past occasions and in many different ways, God spoke to our fathers through the prophets. 2But in these last days He has spoken to us by His Son,a whom He appointed heir of all things, and through whom He made the universe.b

3The Son is the radiance of God?s glory and the exact representation of His nature, upholding all things by His powerful word. After He had provided purification for sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high. 4So He became as far superior to the angels as the name He has inherited is excellent beyond theirs. 5For to which of the angels did God ever say:

?You are My Son;

today I have become Your Father?c?

Or again:

?I will be His Father,

and He will be My Son?d?

6And again, when God brings His firstborn into the world, He says:

?Let all God?s angels worship Him.?e

7Now about the angels He says:

?He makes His angels winds,

His servants flames of fire.?f

8But about the Son He says:

?Your throne, O God, endures forever and ever,

and justice is the scepter of Your kingdom.

9You have loved righteousness

and hated wickedness;

therefore God, Your God, has anointed You

above Your companions with the oil of joy.?g

10And:

?In the beginning, O Lord, You laid the foundations of the earth,

and the heavens are the work of Your hands.

11They will perish, but You remain;

they will all wear out like a garment.

12You will roll them up like a robe;

like a garmenth they will be changed;

but You remain the same,

and Your years will never end.?i

13Yet to which of the angels did God ever say:

?Sit at My right hand

until I make Your enemies a footstool for Your feet?j?

14Are not the angelsk ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation?


I do not see what you are saying in this Scripture, quite the opposite.

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« Reply #196 on: December 13, 2020, 10:51:29 AM »
Hi Serenity
Thank you for a most excellent post and scripture to which I agree wholeheartedly

You asked.

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          We know Christ is the Image Of God but he can only be this when united to his bride so who is his bride she has to be the church.

Who says this or where does it state this     

    Rev 21:9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife   

     Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. View more

         Mar 2:19 And Jesus said unto them, Can the children of the bridechamber fast, while the bridegroom is with them? as long as they have the bridegroom with them, they cannot fast       


There are a few references to the bridegroom who is Christ and as a bridegroom he must have a bride and that they will marry and become one.
As stated above the bride is the new Jerusalem which comes down from heaven this is a spiritual building consists of the body of belivers who are built up.

    1Pe 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ     

    20  And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; (Compare)

 21  In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:

 22  In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit                 


So we are stones in the spiritual new Jerusalem that will come down from heaven which is the bride of Christ and they will be united in marriage and become one.

Love and Peace
Dave


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« Reply #197 on: December 16, 2020, 01:01:37 PM »
Hi
That went down well no rebuttal very encouraging though it interesting to point out we began this study in Genesis and now we find ourselves in revelations like I have been trying to say in my round about way Genesis is the foundation of the bible and as such very important.
Creation has been ongoing from the beginning as Jesus makes clear

     But Jesus answered them, ?My Father is working until now, and I am working.?
John 5:17 ESV
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So as we see the Father and the son are still working to achieve their goal mankind in the image of God.

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« Reply #198 on: December 18, 2020, 01:46:40 PM »
Hi
Thought it may be interesting to look what the NT has to say about creation.

        Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: note View more

Rom 8:22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now       


Here St Paul confirms that creation is the result of the work of God so God has created everything so is he finished not according  to what St Paul says in 8:22 creation is still ongoing and is not finished in his time and we know the last thing to be created is man in the image of God and the only one that can be is Jesus Christ as the scriptures tell us.

     Heb 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high     

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Dave

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« Reply #199 on: December 21, 2020, 02:08:29 AM »
The problem is that creation is still awaiting [as we are] Romans 8:19 For the creation waits in eager expectation for the children of God to be revealed.


I agree - now parelel it with https://www.1faith.co.uk/?topic=10610.msg80028#msg80028

And your post - https://www.1faith.co.uk/?topic=10610.msg79953#msg79953

the two posts disagree with each other../ you cannot have creation groaning for rebirth. while it is already born again.


The problem is that creation is still awaiting [as we are] Romans 8:19 For the creation waits in eager expectation for the children of God to be revealed.


There is no scripture to support "a new creation"  and then to support a new creaton again..

It's an argument against itself -.

Cereaton [our new earth] is anything but "perfect"

https://www.1faith.co.uk/?topic=10610.msg80028#msg80028
https://www.1faith.co.uk/?topic=10610.msg79953#msg79953

 

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