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Re: Genesis
« Reply #16 on: July 01, 2020, 11:01:49 PM »
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Not an easy section for me the waters gathered together could well be a reference to the creation of Israel

Why try so hard to see references to Israel everywhere?

This is the final stage is the creation of the main 'compartments' of our world (heavens, earth and seas) - the separation of the oceans from the continents. The continental plates may drift (and even be partially or temporarily submerged), but they never change places with the deep oceans.

But there's something missing - bare rock and pure water do not make a friendly planet!

The six days of creation form a pattern: three days of 'formation' (bringing order to chaos), followed by three days of 'filling' the emptiness. On the last day of each 'three' (days 3 and 6) God does two acts of creation instead of just one.

So His second act on day 3 is to 'paint' the earth green with plant life.
 
We note that these life forms are given the ability to reproduce - so this is not a static system but a dynamic one, with an inbuilt capacity for growth and adaptation. Fertility and evolution are processes that have been created by God; they are not to be deified.
"Blessed is the one who always trembles before God,
but whoever hardens their heart falls into trouble." (Proverbs 28:14)

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Re: Genesis
« Reply #17 on: July 02, 2020, 12:32:49 AM »
I like the beginning as


John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

It's what fooled the dark side/ enemy.

By sending Jesus to the Cross they defeated themselves - I love that.

Every evil and principality came up aganst Jesus at this time - the evil one God's  own Creation to come up against God Himself

Funny enough - that's what the enemy replicates today - where even demons know that scripture and hate that scripture.

great stuff @Deborah and @davetaff   etc.

I find it amazing how God can recreate a new person/ a born again/ from the old to the new..

What a new creation / how people can change - and a new life can begin.

One thing I have learnt is that even though you are a new creation [as with John 1:1] it does not mean that you will not face your past life again or go through similiar events -  I hope you never have to go through it a second time .

But that is not in you hands and you will have no control over it. / though you think you have control/ eg: Corona Virus/ what a great example where everyone goes through the same thing [which is quite out of the ordinary - normally the enemy will isolate a person.. as he did Christ [isolation has nothing to do with being alone p it's about going through things - that no -one else has - or few have] Christ went though things that very few had been through - if any]

Anyway Christ is now Risen and in a new body [as I often discuss with my Grandson]


As Paul said - in  2 Corinthians 4:17 "For our light and momentary troubles are achieving for us an eternal glory that far outweighs them all."


I'm currently focussing on my focus - i'm resisting the enemy - I'm  rebuking the nagastive spirit - I'm telling the enemy to flee in Jesus Name - this is real stuff..

I love what Giod created and I hate / what people have made of it and how the enemy uses people ..

I often have discussions with my Grandson about "why we are here|"

I wrestle with him between Adam and Eve and the worlds "monkeys and Apes theory that they teach @ school"

I got him into the "new earth and new body thing"

He seems to like that where everthing goes back to the way it was meant to be in the beginning.

He's understanding what death is and how things change once you lose a loved one - but also how God gives you a new body and new earth the way it was meant to be "in the beginning" and that gives him comfort - [ no Idea avbout any of this as I never knew it - but hey -  I'm teaching him what matters"

Death is not to be feared as you have as new life and a new earth..

Tonight he was telling us that we have no need to fear death because we will be in a new earth with a new body [good for him]

Whether he continues in this way - is not in my hands - but I hope the roots will grow down.. [maybe I should feed him with rot hormones ?]  or even root hormones - so that his life might take root

 
Of course you know that death is not just about a physical departure ?


Anyway back to Adan and Eve and the new creation ...

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« Reply #18 on: July 02, 2020, 11:41:43 AM »

Why try so hard to see references to Israel everywhere?

This is the final stage is the creation of the main 'compartments' of our world (heavens, earth and seas) - the separation of the oceans from the continents. The continental plates may drift (and even be partially or temporarily submerged), but they never change places with the deep oceans.

But there's something missing - bare rock and pure water do not make a friendly planet!

The six days of creation form a pattern: three days of 'formation' (bringing order to chaos), followed by three days of 'filling' the emptiness. On the last day of each 'three' (days 3 and 6) God does two acts of creation instead of just one.

So His second act on day 3 is to 'paint' the earth green with plant life.
 
We note that these life forms are given the ability to reproduce - so this is not a static system but a dynamic one, with an inbuilt capacity for growth and adaptation. Fertility and evolution are processes that have been created by God; they are not to be deified.

Hi Deborah
Thank you for your reply and I can agree with you 100% all these things were created before the flood what I am trying to get at is what happens after the flood everything God had Created before the flood was on the ark the only thing missing was man in his image the first man in his image was contaminated by the fallen angels so God has to create a new man in his image.
So this creation will follow the creation account in Genesis and the end of creation is Christ we know the man of flesh must come first and he is Israel then comes the spiritual man which is Christ.

So why do I say that creation is ongoing because the bible says so.

.     Rom 8:22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now
        Joh 5:17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work


As we see from these two verses creation is a work in progress and the end of creation is Christ Jesus our Lord at his second coming to be united with his bride the church and the become one this is man in the image of God.

So was Noah in the image of God I don't think so the first thing he does when he gets of the ark is get paralytic drunk don't sound very God like to me.

Love and peace
Dave

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Re: Genesis
« Reply #19 on: July 02, 2020, 09:03:43 PM »
Jesus turned water in vino at an already merry wedding feast.  How ungodly and unseemly was that?
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Re: Genesis
« Reply #20 on: July 02, 2020, 11:56:29 PM »
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So was Noah in the image of God I don't think so the first thing he does when he gets of the ark is get paralytic drunk don't sound very God like to me.

that's the upside down Kingdom....

Jesus died in the place of Adam and Eve /  why cus if He had not we would not be here now..Genesis 3:21 The LORD God made garments of skin for Adam and his wife and clothed them.

Well God could produce garments of skin without the shedding of blood  ?

But the assumption goes back to John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Interesting diversion to Wine / being the blood that was shed..

While people argue that women are more vunerable to deceive / more secretive/ you can also see that Adam is shifting the blame.

"0O it's okay what I did cos - the woman You made deceived me"

Good job Jesus took our place - other wise we would not be here anymore..

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Jesus turned water in vino  ?

 is clever cos vino is a type of wine - ahhh   :great:


Problem occurs when people look at the offender and not at the caurse  and the cause  is the answer / hence Jesus met the woman at the well and befriended her - plus the people with  leprous diseases.

Don't focus on the disorder but focus on the remedy

It doesn't matter what you go through in life or for how long  - I have control over my life / because this is  my mind  and my life

Hence "take every thought captive" and "Continue to rebuke bad thoughts in Jesus name / then the enemy will flee"

No it's just about temptation, it's not just about you and your flesh.

Anyone going through years of torture - focus on yoursdelf / this is not selfish/ this is survival.

It's what Jesus taught / there are many things you do not have authority over - but you have authority over your life and your mind.

break the argument and the circle in Jesus Name and talke authority.

Your in a loop / circle/ break that circle/ also break the circle where you want people to like you or agree with you - I know that sounds anti Church - but it's not.

]There are a lot of selfish people in the world and they will affect you [but God does not react in the way you would assume[

Yes He does with the political parties of the time who sent Him to a physical death - but He says "Father forgive them for they know not what they do"


Just focus on you at this time and your thoughts and what you receive into your life / mind / rebuke all bad thoughts and know that God is in control of anything and everything that you have no authority over.



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Re: Genesis
« Reply #21 on: July 03, 2020, 09:59:24 AM »
Jesus turned water in vino at an already merry wedding feast.  How ungodly and unseemly was that?

Hi Serenity
Thank you for your reply and what you say is true but I believe our Lord was trying to tell something on a higher level that he would turn the water of God's word into wine the wine being his blood which he shed for us on the cross.
This is the true miracle.

Love and peace
Dave

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Re: Genesis
« Reply #22 on: July 03, 2020, 10:27:51 AM »
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Before I move on to day four I would like to say a little about Noah.

.    20  And Noah began to be an husbandman, and he planted a vineyard:

 21  And he drank of the wine, and was drunken; and he was uncovered within his tent.

.Let us view this as a prophesy Noah represents the human race

 22  And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brethren without.
Dave
Ham was the middle son God created three sons the Jew the Christian and the Muslim and the middle son Ham ( Christ ) tells his brothers the truth

 23  And Shem and Japheth took a garment, and laid it upon both their shoulders, and went backward, and covered the nakedness of their father; and their faces were backward, and they saw not their father's nakedness.Dave

.  The two brothers refuse to accept the truth they paid a blanket over themselves so they could no see and hear the truth       

 24  And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him.

 25  And he said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren.

 26  And he said, Blessed be the LORD God of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant     ,

     


  here we see Canaan was cursed can be read as the son of the father became a curse       

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Re: Genesis
« Reply #23 on: July 03, 2020, 11:26:35 AM »
Hi
Moving on to day four.

.     14  And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: note

 15  And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.

 16  And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. note

 17  And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,

 18  And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.

 19  And the evening and the morning were the fourth day       


The interesting thing here is the words sun and moon are not mentioned only lights what greater light can there be than our Lord Jesus Christ the light of the world who came into the world on the fourth day of this creation 4000 years after the flood.
The lesser light of course is the church who gives light to the darkened world after our Lord was taken up into glory never forgetting the moon is the reflected light of the sun.
The stars would be the children created by the church the bride of Christ.


 19  And the evening and the morning were the fourth day there was darkness and light evil good

Love and peace
Dave

 

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