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Re: Genesis
« Reply #112 on: August 18, 2020, 03:43:15 PM »
Hi
we seam to have gone of on a tangent but I do like the thought of parables in Genesis they tell of thing to come thousands of years later only a creator God could do that.

next verses.

Gen 2:23  Then the man said, ?This at last is bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh; she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.? 
Gen 2:24  Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and they shall become one flesh. 
Gen 2:25  And the man and his wife were both naked and were not ashamed.  


I have taken verse 23 again the man here is Adam would what he says apply to the Last Adam I don't see why not we know that no man can Give Birth to any Child so the woman created here has to be something different so if what is said above is concerning the the woman the bride of Christ so the woman the helper can consist of many people as the church dose.
Of course the father and mother Christ leaves behind is Israel the father is the high priest and the mother the priest hood and Christ and his bride the Church will become one at our Lords return.
that the man and woman were naked means I am not to sure about unless it means they were beautiful and perfectly created and did not need to be covered up as did the first Adam and Eve.

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Re: Genesis
« Reply #113 on: August 19, 2020, 05:00:56 PM »
Genesis 2:23-25

Man and Woman were literally 'made for each other', and took delight in each other. Sexual intercourse is not so much a union as a re-union: a re-uniting of what had been separated. And it is more than a union of bodies; it is just the physical expression of something much deeper. The relationship between this first human couple is the basis of all human sexual relationships, as Jesus pointed out in Matthew 19.

'Leaving' points to a necessary physical and emotional separation from the birth family. A wife should be her husband's first priority, and he hers.
'Cleaving' is the commitment of faithfulness to each other, no matter what life may hold. It implies both passion and permanence.
Sex is the most obvious expression of the union between husband and wife (especially if it results in the creation of offspring), but this union also occurs on an emotional and psychological level, as they live together as a couple. This is why sex without any relational context (as in pornography and prostitution) is ultimately meaningless (see I Corinthians 6:16), and why divorce is so traumatic - especially for the children (Matthew 19:6).

Adam and his wife were naked emotionally as well as physically. Their relationship was one of complete openness and honesty; they were totally relaxed and at ease with each other.

And the marriage relationship is also a picture of our relationship with Christ (Ephesians 5:22-33).
"Blessed is the one who always trembles before God,
but whoever hardens their heart falls into trouble." (Proverbs 28:14)

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Re: Genesis
« Reply #114 on: August 21, 2020, 03:42:24 PM »
Hi Deborah
Thank you for your reply interesting point of view of course Marriage is for life and for our Lord and his church forever and of course when he comes for his church we will all be equal no difference between man and woman. 

moving on

Gen 3:1  Now the serpent was more crafty than any other beast of the field that the LORD God had made. He said to the woman, ?Did God actually say, ?You shall not eat of any tree in the garden??? 
Gen 3:2  And the woman said to the serpent, ?We may eat of the fruit of the trees in the garden, 
Gen 3:3  but God said, ?You shall not eat of the fruit of the tree that is in the midst of the garden, neither shall you touch it, lest you die.??      


I believe this and what follows can be seen with Israel after the flood Israel is the tree of Knowledge they had the law which told them what sin was.
the woman here is the church and we Know that the devil tempted Christ first in  Mat 4:1 when that failed he turned his attention to the Church the woman and many have been led astray by him of course we also had the priesthood of Israel which was completely led astray this is why we have a new creation in Christ  and why the church and Israel had to be separated for a time.
 and Christ is separated from the church because if they where one Christ would be contaminated by those who sinned.

I find it fascinating that in Genesis we can read the history of Israel and the Church starting with the flood up to the present and beyond The words of St Paul come to mind.

1Co 13:12  For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I have been fully known.        

I believe the mirror is Israel.

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Re: Genesis
« Reply #115 on: August 24, 2020, 02:54:02 PM »
Hi
Moving on.

Gen 3:4  But the serpent said to the woman, ?You will not surely die. 
Gen 3:5  For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.?    


so here we have the Fall satan in the guise of a serpent tells Eve a lie which she will believe the he tells her if she dose eat of the the tree she will be like God knowing good and evil thing is this seams to be true as we read a little latter on.

Gen 3:22  Then the LORD God said, ?Behold, the man has become like one of us in knowing good and evil. Now, lest he reach out his hand and take also of the tree of life and eat, and live forever??    

So why do we need the knowledge of Good and evil I would say so that we can choose the Good of our own free will we choose it by following the laws of Love nobody not even God can make you Love it would not be Love.
the problem is when Mankind got the knowledge  they followed the wrong path they took the path of evil that's why our Lord Jesus came into the world to put things right.
My own belief is that the law given to Israel is the tree of knowledge it tells us what good and evil is.

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Re: Genesis
« Reply #116 on: September 03, 2020, 02:35:06 PM »
Hi
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Gen 3:6  So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was to be desired to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate, and she also gave some to her husband who was with her, and he ate. 
Gen 3:7  Then the eyes of both were opened, and they knew that they were naked. And they sewed fig leaves together and made themselves loincloths     


So here we have the tree of Knowledge with fruit to make one wise it was a beautiful tree a delight to look at like many things in the world today looks good on the outside but the inside can be very different.
the fruit was good to eat so she took and ate and gave some to Adam and they both realised they were naked and covered themselves before they ate they did not know they were naked they were perfectly happy perfectly made wanting nothing totally reliant on God for all their needs.
of course this state will be realised again with the coming of our Lord Jesus to gather together all those who belong to him and we enter the new world that God will create.

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Re: Genesis
« Reply #117 on: September 06, 2020, 02:49:30 PM »
Hi
moving on.

Gen 3:8  And they heard the sound of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and the man and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God among the trees of the garden. 
Gen 3:9  But the LORD God called to the man and said to him, ?Where are you?? 
Gen 3:10  And he said, ?I heard the sound of you in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked, and I hid myself.?      


So Adam and Eve had eaten of the tree of knowledge and realised they were naked before they ate nakedness was not a problem now they had to cover themselves what they were really doing was covering what God had created perfect it did not need to be covered over.
God was in the garden in the cool of the Day is this the end of the sixth day of creation and like I say we are now in the sixth day of the creation that began with Noah.
 we know that Israel the first Adam of this creation has been dispersed among all the nations of  the world ( hidden among the trees of the garden) now God is calling them Back and we know this has happened because Israel is a nation again and we also know that all Israel will be saved and that includes us because we have been grafted into the tree which is Israel.
How wonderful is our God who tells us the end from the beginning.

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Re: Genesis
« Reply #118 on: September 07, 2020, 03:00:40 PM »
Sorry, I've got left behind - i've been rather busy!

Genesis 3:1-3

If Man's love for God was to have any meaning, it had to arise from his free will; in other words, he had to be presented with a choice. And so, within God's 'very good' world, there had to exist the possibility of doing evil, represented by the snake. The snake was one of God's creatures, and apparently innocuous; but to Eve, it spoke with Satan?s voice.

He didn't make a frontal attack on Eve's loyalty to God (that would have been too obvious); instead, he initiated a seemingly casual conversation about God in which he planted seeds of doubt in her mind. He began by casting aspersions on God's goodness, misrepresenting Him as One who withholds rather than the One who generously provides, and as a mean, self-protective Being who is holding mankind back from attaining its full potential. And he still succeeds in persuading us that God is a killjoy (I Timothy 4:1-3)!


"Blessed is the one who always trembles before God,
but whoever hardens their heart falls into trouble." (Proverbs 28:14)

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Re: Genesis
« Reply #119 on: September 07, 2020, 03:03:06 PM »
Genesis 3:4,5

Satan went on to cast doubt on God's truthfulness by setting his own word against God's. The issue is one of trust.
He denied the doctrine of judgement, and asserted that the consequence of sin is not death but god-likeness.
Satan's theology can be summarised as follows:
1) God doesn't really care about you
2) God is selfish and cruel in depriving you of good things
3) God cannot be trusted and His word is therefore not authoritative
4) God's judgement is a myth
5) Self-fulfilment is the true goal of mankind
This bad theology is at the root of all sin. It gives us an excuse for rebellion and an encouragement to blasphemy (incidentally, the very two crimes for which Jesus was condemned to die).
"Blessed is the one who always trembles before God,
but whoever hardens their heart falls into trouble." (Proverbs 28:14)

 

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