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Genesis
« on: June 19, 2020, 09:47:21 AM »
Hi
On the advice of Guardian it seems I have to start again how one does that I don't know if anyone has anything to take up from the old thread please do.

I was wondering where to start so I thought the beginning would be good.

.   1  In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

 2  And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters     


Verse 1 is self explanatory God created the universe and everything in it the big bang maybe.

Verse 2 can be applied twice once in the very beginning and once in the flood in Noah's time when God began a new creation not of everything but of man in his image everything else was on the ark.

This is my interpretation of these verses I would like other members interpretations before we move on to verse three.

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Re: Genesis
« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2020, 01:19:33 PM »
'In the beginning God
created the heaven and the earth.
And the earth was without form, and void;
and darkness was upon the face of the deep.
And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.'

(Gen 1:1) 

Hello there,

* In beginning His creative work, God (Heb. Elohim) created 'the heaven' and 'the earth'

* The words, 'The heaven' and 'The Earth', {always plural, and with the Hebrew particle 'eth' before each, emphasising the article 'the' except in  Genesis 2:1). This is worth considering I believe. For the heavens and the earth of Genesis 1:1 is, 'the world that then was' of (2 Peter:3:5-6), to which fossils and remains belong, whereas the heavens and the earth of Genesis 2:1, are those, 'which are now.' of 2 Peter 3:7. 

* The Hebrew Title for the book of Genesis means simply 'In (the) beginning', because it is the book of all beginnings.  The word Genesis is Greek meaning 'generation' or 'creation'.

* In Verse two, we are told that the earth 'was' (i,e, 'became') 'without form and void.', and darkness was upon the face of the deep.  God did not make the earth without form and void, it became so.  It was covered in water, and the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

* The Hebrew word translated 'void' is found in three places, Genesis 1:2 (i.e., void), Isaiah 34:11 (i.e., emptiness) and Jeremiah 4:23 (i.e void):-

'But the cormorant and the bittern shall possess it;
the owl also and the raven shall dwell in it:
and he shall stretch out upon it the line of confusion,
and the stones of emptiness.'

(Isaiah 34:11) 

'I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void;
and the heavens, and they had no light.'

(Jeremiah 4:23) 

* Both occasions appear to apply to times of judgement.

* The Hebrew word translated, 'without form' means 'to lie waste', and is found elsewhere in, Deuteronomy 32:10 (i.e.,waste); 1 Samuel 12:21(i.e., 'vain'); Job 6:18 (ie., 'to nothing'); Job 12:24 (ie., 'in a wilderness'); Job 26:7 (ie., 'the empty place'); Psalm 107:40 (ie., 'in the wilderness); Isaiah 24:10 (ie., 'confusion); Isaiah 29:21 (ie., 'for a thing of nought'); Isaiah 34:11 (ie., 'confusion'); Isaiah 40:17,23 (ie., 'and vanity'); Isaiah 41:29 (ie., 'and confusion'); Isaiah 44:9 (ie., 'vanity'); Isaiah 45:18,19 (ie., 'vain'); Isaiah 49:4 (ie., 'for nought') Isaiah 59:4 (ie., 'vanity'); Jeremiah 4:23 (ie., 'without form')

* There can therefore be no doubt of the nature of both these words, and the state of the earth that they describe: Yet Isaiah 45:18 says, 'He created it not in vain' His purpose was that it should be inhabited:-

'For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens;
God Himself that formed the earth and made it;
He hath established it,
He created it not in vain,
He formed it to be inhabited:
I am the LORD;
and there is none else.'

(Isaiah 45:18) 

* Therefore:- 'The Spirit of God (Elohim) moved upon the face of the waters'
* The introduction to Genesis (and to the whole Bible) Genesis 1:1-2:3, ascribes everything to the living God, creating, making, acting, moving, and speaking. There is no room for evolution without a flat denial of Divine revelation: and all God's works are declared to be 'Good' or perfect. 

Praise God!

In Christ Jesus
Chris

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Re: Genesis
« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2020, 06:08:38 PM »
Hi Chris
Thank you for an excellent explanatory post I think many will benefit from it thanks

Love and peace
Dave

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Re: Genesis
« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2020, 08:07:35 PM »
The whole of the opening passage of the Bible is structured around the number seven (not only seven days of creation, but most of the Hebrew words used and their total number are in multiples of seven). It is a work of prose art, not a straightforward "historical" account of creation.

It teaches us about God:
He is eternal: He is outside both time and space (Psalm 90:2). Nevertheless, He acts within these dimensions.
He is a living and active God, the only God, the Source of all things and of all life (Acts 17:24,25). He is also unmistakably personal.

It teaches us about our world:
The material universe has not always existed; God made it out of nothing. It had a beginning, and it will have an end (Psalm 102:25-27).
God is the rightful Owner of all that He has created (Psalm 24:1,2).
The universe is no gigantic accident, but an enormously complex work of art. Similarly, the existence of life on our planet is not a billion-to-one chance, but the centrepiece and climax of God's work (Isaiah 45:18).

To begin with, there was just a chaotic nothingness, totally hostile and utterly inhospitable. And yet God's Spirit was already active. He was as intimately involved with His creation as a mother bird is in intimate contact with her young.
"Blessed is the one who always trembles before God,
but whoever hardens their heart falls into trouble." (Proverbs 28:14)

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Re: Genesis
« Reply #4 on: June 20, 2020, 01:16:12 PM »
Hi
Thank you Deborah for a good post I like the idea of sevens the idea of completion this could well apply to after the flood 7000 years to complete everything thank you for pointing that out.

The next section.

.    3  And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

 4  And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. note

 5  And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day             


Here we have the first day the question being how much time elapsed between verse one up to verse three can it allow for very long periods dose it matter.

Then God says let there be light what was this light not the sun that was not until day four so what was the light my answer is Jesus Christ the light of the world as Isaiah says.

.   Isa 9:2 The people that walked in darkness have seen a great light: they that dwell in the land of the shadow of death, upon them hath the light shined         

This also applies to day three and God said the light was good and of course it was the light was Christ the first of all creation through whom and for whom everything is created.
What was the division of light and darkness our Lord was kept in heaven above the world and the world was in darkness light and darkness could also be seen as good and evil.
This is what the Lord created on day one not forgetting a day with the Lord is a thousand years.

As you may know I view the creation account from the flood to the present day.

Love and peace
Dave

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Re: Genesis
« Reply #5 on: June 20, 2020, 03:43:18 PM »
'And God said, Let there be light:
and there was light.
And God saw the light, that it was good:
and God divided the light from the darkness.
And God called the light Day,
and the darkness he called Night.
And the evening and the morning were the first day.'

(Genesis 1:3-5)

Hello there,

As with the new creation in the Child of God it is light that comes first: for the gospel of God concerning His Son the Lord Jesus Christ is heard and believed, light enters and faith is sown in the heart.  For the entrance of God's word brings light, and faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God. 

Praise God!

* The wonderful thing about the words of verse five is that it establishes without doubt the length of the day: for it uses the words, 'And the evening and the morning were the first day.' confining it within those limits; so that there can be no room for argument regarding the length of day.

* I don't know the source of the light, for the moon and the stars had not yet been created, but that is of no concern to me.  It is enough that it is written that there was light.  God knows and that is enough.

'The secret things belong unto the LORD our God:
but those things which are revealed belong unto us ... ... '

(Deuteronomy 29:29a) 
 
* Regarding Genesis 1:1 & 1:2, and what took place to make the earth become without form and void: what? why? and how? etc., That is not something I am prepared to speculate on.  I believe that what God has revealed in His Word belongs to us, but what He has not revealed belongs to Him, and should be allowed to remain so.

* Speculation leads to error.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris


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Re: Genesis
« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2020, 08:54:02 PM »
v3-5

What actually transformed this dark and anarchic waste into a beautiful and orderly universe was God's Word (Hebrews 11:3; John 1:1-3).
Everything that exists was called into being simply by God's decree (Psalm 33:8,9).
The darkness was not totally abolished, merely subordinated to its proper place in the alternation of day and night. Night has its own purpose, and is as much a part of God?s creation as day (Psalm 104:20-23).

Why did God begin with light and darkness - especially when the sources of natural light, the sun and stars, are not mentioned until day four? John tells us that 'God is light; in Him there is no darkness at all." (I John 1:5) "The dominion of darkness" (Colossians 1:13), on the other hand, is that which is under the rule of Satan. Perhaps, then, there is a hint that 'evil' is an essential part of the fabric of the universe (see Isaiah 45:7); yet at the very beginning of creation it was separated from the 'good'.

I don't see how you can have a 24-hour day with no sun (and so no solar system). What's the point of 'evening and morning'? Each day, when reckoned from evening to morning, celebrates the defeat of darkness and the triumph of light.
"Blessed is the one who always trembles before God,
but whoever hardens their heart falls into trouble." (Proverbs 28:14)

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Re: Genesis
« Reply #7 on: June 21, 2020, 01:04:48 PM »
Hi girl's
Thank you for your replies very interesting it gives a broad spectrum to the scripture given so far.

Chris you asked.
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* Regarding Genesis 1:1 & 1:2, and what took place to make the earth become without form and void: what? why? and how? etc     

The only answer I have is the flood and that is why we should consider the creation account from that point in time and apply it solely to the creation of man in the image of God.

Deborah
I like your observation that there was no sun so there could not be a 24 you say so it's reasonable to consider it in a different light

.    Luk 11:35 Therefore, be careful that the light in you isn?t darkness. View more

Luk 11:36 Now if your whole body is full of light, with no part of it in darkness, it will be as full of light as when a lamp gives you light with its rays 

 Joh 12:35 Jesus replied to the crowd, ?The light is among you only for a short time. Walk while you have the light, so that the darkness may not overtake you. The person who walks in the darkness is in the darkness and does not know where he is going             


It is quite obvious from these few verses from our Lord that light and darkness has very little to do with day light and night time.

I will leave it there for now in case anyone would like to comment

Love and peace
Dave

 

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