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Re: Israel
« Reply #16 on: June 22, 2020, 12:48:54 PM »
None of what you have said since i posted supports the first Adam being Israel or Creation being after the flood.

However Scripture and not conjecture in Genesis does clearly state Adam during the creation process.  I do not see how you can move onto any other perspective or just brush this away.  This is why as such i cannot really discuss anything further along when the foundations are spurious at best.
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Hi Serenity
Thank you for your reply but I think you are misunderstanding what I am saying I am not saying there was complete creation after the flood there was no need everything God needed was on the ark the only thing missing was man in the image of God.

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Gen 5:5 And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died     


So there was no man in God's image so God began a new creation of a man in his image the first man must be a man of flesh the second man a man of spirit.

God will use the creation account to archive this.

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« Reply #17 on: June 22, 2020, 01:37:15 PM »
In looking at the internet I can see that the first Adam has been referred to be Israel before, by a few other people. Therefore there are other people believing this. Just I can't see anything in scripture to back that up.

. Hi Christianna
Everything boils down to one thing what does man in God's image look like is an ordinary man like me in the image of God I don't think so       


I'm no expert with this. I originally assumed the garden of Eden was in Israel but don't think that has been concluded. It has been believed to be in Iraq through the identification of  two rivers, and also others believe the garden of Eden to be in Israel, through the identification of a river in Jerusalem, that has been considered to be reshaped after the flood.

Therefore it's inconclusive.

.where the Garden of Eden was of no interest to me access to it was closed what is interesting is God brought Israel into a land flowing with milk and honey sounds pretty much like a paradise to me         


In scripture, Jacob and Esau were described to be two nations inside the womb.Genesis 25:23

Jacob later to be called "Israel", and Esau being described as "Edon". Genesis 35:10 Genesis 36

.  This is very interesting God gives men's names to nations so should see them as men   

Coming back to Adam. Please look carefully at Genesis 5:1-2
" This is the book of genealogy of Adam. In the day that God created man, He made him in the likeness of God . "

.     1  This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;

 2  Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created         


.   What is interesting about this scripture is it is Adam and Eve together who are called Adam so man in the image of God are both male and female together looking to the future we know Christ will be joined to his bride the church this man in the image of God       

@davetaff I understand in some ways where you are coming from, because humankind became fallen and will not be in the likeness of  God, unless and until they are perfected in Christ. 2 Corinthians 3:18

Somehow that seems more so, than before Adam and Eve fell.
One example is it would be impossible to be fallen, in our eternal transformation.

   who was it who fell first after the flood it was only Israel who had the law where there is no law there is no transgression             

It's so deep and may mean something to you. Probably something that is too deep to put into words but in trying can make you overthink and overspiritualise  some scriptures out of context, and then being spot on and insightful over other scriptures. Giving out some gems.

Just we need to stick to what the bible actually  says and keep it simple. Otherwise it can lead to a lot

. I agree let's stick to what the bible says everything I have said is backed up by scripture what I find strange is up to now nobody has given me a different or better explanation to the scriptures I have given it seems they are just ignored           

Love and peace
Dave

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Re: Israel
« Reply #18 on: June 27, 2020, 11:59:43 AM »
Hi
So what does man in the image of God look like the only one in the whole of scripture said to be the express image of God is Jesus Christ his son and this will be at his second coming to be united with his bride the church and they become one.
So how does Israel relate to this it was through Christ Israel was created he was the supreme head and worked through Moses then Aaron became the high priest and the levites  became the priesthood this represents the woman Eve.
When Christ came in the flesh he came to claim his bride the priesthood but they rejected him and crucified him which is what they were meant to do only the priesthood could sacrifice to take away sin and they sacrificed the lamb of God to take away the sins of the world.

Love and peace
Dave

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Re: Israel
« Reply #19 on: June 28, 2020, 12:18:29 PM »
Thank you for the prayers.

Davetaff said:

. Hi Christianna
             
Everything boils down to one thing what does man in God's image look like is an ordinary man like me in the image of God I don't think so.       


What comes to mind with this, is Psalm 139. David was not perfect and yet described himself to be wonderfully and fearfully made.v14

Having said that, I try to see where you are coming from.

That we all need to know about ourselves as individuals, that we have all fallen short of God's glory.

That may have been a key point for you. Realising and admitting our own falleness can enable us  to come to God, through Jesus Christ, when we trust in Him and ask for forgiveness in repentance. For Jesus is the means of redemption and the mediator, who covers our imperfections.

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Re: Israel
« Reply #20 on: June 28, 2020, 11:35:27 PM »
choosing  israel  is discreminating  i think god only choose one peopel on prpose and the whole earth went without cus god only liked one peopel

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Re: Israel
« Reply #21 on: June 29, 2020, 12:22:12 PM »
choosing  israel  is discreminating  i think god only choose one peopel on prpose and the whole earth went without cus god only liked one peopel

Hi earthman
And welcome thank you for your reply not sure what you mean by discrimination God created Israel to fulfill his purpose to create mankind in his image the first part was the man of flesh which is Israel the second part is the man of the Spirit which is Christ Jesus our Lord.

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Re: Israel
« Reply #22 on: June 29, 2020, 01:12:59 PM »
Jesus could only be born out of one country. It's geographically the centre of the earth I think, or near the centre.

Yet He chose to bless all the nations, by being Saviour of the whole world, with the offer of eternal life to everyone, poor, rich, criminals, religious, all creeds, colours, and cultures, alike. When they place their faith in Him,the true living Christ.

That's not discrimination at all.




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Re: Israel
« Reply #23 on: June 30, 2020, 12:23:47 AM »
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the first part was the man of flesh which is Israel the second part is the man of the Spirit which is Christ Jesus our Lord.



no no no no no no

Israel was not just flesh cus god was born in  israel an many lived in de spirit a dat time an lifing in the spirit is not jus being flesh following de holy spirit why you dividing spirit and flesh within normal live a christ is spirit flesh already has gods spirit does not make sense


 

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