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« on: June 11, 2020, 06:25:59 PM »
Hi
Question why did God create Israel what was the point did God fail because Israel did not turn out as God intended.
God spent 4 thousand years creating Israel why why did it take so long after all many believe that God created the world and everything in it in 6 24 hour days so why did it take so long to create Israel makes no sense.

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Re: Israel
« Reply #1 on: June 12, 2020, 09:56:35 AM »
Hello Davetaff,

Sorry I can't make sense of what you are saying in another thread, with another topic. Just these are my thoughts of Israel.

Israel is the centre of the world and perhaps before the flood the world was one land mass, surrounded by sea, and then came continental drift. Whether this is right or wrong I don't know.

Yet we do know that
Jesus created the world. John 1:10

Jesus:
He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him.  But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. John 1:11-13

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 I say then, have they stumbled that they should fall? Certainly not! But through their fall, to provoke them to jealousy, salvation has come to the Gentiles. Now if their fall is riches for the world, and their failure riches for the Gentiles, how much more their fullness!
For I speak to you Gentiles; inasmuch as I am an apostle to the Gentiles, I magnify my ministry,  if by any means I may provoke to jealousy those who are my flesh and save some of them.  For if their being cast away is the reconciling of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead? Romans 11:11-15

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Re: Israel
« Reply #2 on: June 12, 2020, 03:35:39 PM »
Hi Christinna
thank you for your reply and the verses you have quoted very nice so how important is Israel in Gods plan for mankind.

Gen_18:18  Seeing that Abraham shall surely become a great and mighty nation, and all the nations of the earth shall be blessed in him?         

As we see it was From Abraham that God created Israel and we see right from the beginning God knew what was going to happen Israel would become a great nation which they did and more importantly all the nations of the earth would be blessed because of them.
Of course the great blessing that would come out of Israel is Christ so as far back as Abraham God had a plan to send his beloved son into the world so everything that was to happen to Israel and Christ was planned well in advance.

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« Reply #3 on: June 16, 2020, 06:26:13 PM »
Hi
Interesting that Abraham went into Egypt as did Israel and as did our Lord this must mean something we also have the strange custom of the younger son being chosen over the elder this is also mirrored in Christ and Israel

.     Mat 2:15 And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son   

So both Israel and Christ are God's son Christ the younger is the one chosen By the Father it's also interesting that the story of Cain and Able is mirrored the older brother Israel kills the younger brother Jesus.

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« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2020, 11:12:23 AM »
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davetaff said:-
Hi Christinna
thank you for your reply and the verses you have quoted very nice so how important is Israel in Gods plan for mankind.

Gen_18:18  Seeing that Abraham shall surely become a great and mighty nation, and all the nations of the earth shall be blessed in him?         

As we see it was From Abraham that God created Israel and we see right from the beginning God knew what was going to happen Israel would become a great nation which they did and more importantly all the nations of the earth would be blessed because of them.
Of course the great blessing that would come out of Israel is Christ so as far back as Abraham God had a plan to send his beloved son into the world so everything that was to happen to Israel and Christ was planned well in advance.

Love and Peace
Dave
Hi
Interesting that Abraham went into Egypt as did Israel and as did our Lord this must mean something we also have the strange custom of the younger son being chosen over the elder this is also mirrored in Christ and Israel

.     Mat 2:15 And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son   

So both Israel and Christ are God's son Christ the younger is the one chosen By the Father it's also interesting that the story of Cain and Able is mirrored the older brother Israel kills the younger brother Jesus.

Love and peace
Dave

Hello @davetaff,

Abraham was made the Father of many nations (Genesis 17:5-6) For he had several sons.  However God's covenant was made with Isaac, and his offspring (Genesis 17:21; Genesis 21:12).

Regarding what you say concerning Christ being the younger, the Lord said in John 8:58, 'Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.'

The tragedy of having a theory, is that the tendency is to make everything fit the theory: so that it becomes the yardstick by which Scripture is measured, and not the other way round.  It is Scripture which is the plumb-line, by which all should be measured, and I find your desire to make everything fit, problematic.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

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« Reply #5 on: June 17, 2020, 01:24:56 PM »
Hi Chris
Thank you for your reply you said

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Regarding what you say concerning Christ being the younger, the Lord said in John 8:58, 'Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am         

Can't argue with that

.    Col 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist     

Then when Christ came into the world.

.    Psa 8:5 For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour. View more

Heb 2:7 Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands: note View more

Heb 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man     


So we see Christ was with the Father from before creation and through him and for him all thing are created he is the first and the last the Alfa and Omega.

Love and peace
Dave


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« Reply #6 on: June 17, 2020, 02:10:14 PM »
Hi Chris
Thank you for your reply you said

Can't argue with that

.    Col 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist     

Then when Christ came into the world.

Psa 8:5 For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour. View more
Heb 2:7 Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands: note View more
Heb 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man     


So we see Christ was with the Father from before creation and through him and for him all thing are created he is the first and the last the Alfa and Omega.

Love and peace
Dave

Hello @davetaff,

Thank you for your response.

I can't argue with that either.  :D

Within the love of Christ our Saviour
Chris

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« Reply #7 on: June 19, 2020, 10:07:45 AM »
Hi
I thought it would be a good idea to start at the beginning.

.  Hos 11:1 When Israel was a child, then I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt           

So without any doubt Israel is God's son and as such would be created in the image of God and as God's son he would Be the Adam of this creation that is the one after the flood.

Love and peace
Dave

 

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