Dispensationalism

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[tribalchrstian]

Do people fall from grace?

I have often wondered if people fall from grace.  That is, God gives them great grace in the midst of a terrible lot in life, lifts them out of it, then they look at the blessing in store for them and reject it through outward or inward means.  I remember when the church I used to attend fell apart and I was shocked at how many people simply when back to life as it had been before they "made the commitment" to God to be on the cutting edge of what he was doing.  One person I met, her name was patience, was mightily delivered from a live of smoking, drugs, agoraphobia and even lost a lot of weight.  God delivered her from a very tough situation and showed her a way forward that was better than she every imagined.  Yet, when the church fell apart, she simply when back to her old ways and nothing that God had done with her lasted. I was dumbfounded.

For me, when I am given great great, I want to be worthy of it.  I want to take the helping hand that God extends to me and make Him proud.  I don't want to play with His grace by slow walking my obedience to it so that it frustrates Him to death.  I certainly don't want to go back to that which He delivered me of and despise the things He did for me.

What think all of my brethren?  Does grace give us the right to despise the grace giver?  Or is grace something precious, something worthy of honor, something worth giving all too?  Shall we simply throw God's grace back in His face and go ishing?  Or should we honestly be changed by His grace and not give ourselves to our previous sinful ways? 

For my part, I did not stop being a Christian when this church fell apart.  Sure it was hard, sure I had painful memories, but I used the grace I was given to empower me to go on and do something with the gift God gave.   

All you many and varied thoughts on this issue would be highly interesting to me. 

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Sincerely,

Michael King

[eik]

Do people fall from grace?

All your many and varied thoughts on this issue would be highly interesting to me. 

Simon Magus was one who "believed and was baptized" but his heart was not right with God. The parable of the sower also. Whether through negligence, deprioritizing or deliberate departure, we can fail to continue in the grace of God.

I'm not sure "fall from grace" conveys what happens. It sounds too dramatic. More like depart from, or cease having, the grace of God. Grace is always there to had, unless we depart so far we trample Christ underfoot, when repentance became impossible. Heb 10:29

[TJ's]

No idea what Dispensationalism is- will have to look it up on google

[eik]

No idea what Dispensationalism is- will have to look it up on google

In a nutshell, dispensationalism is a heresy originating in the 18th and 19th centuries that sees a future for the secular nation State of Israel outside of the ambit of the Church of God. It is like what the secular Jews who opposed Christ were thinking back in Christ's day. It's a Jewish supremacist movement. It is inherently bound up with belief in the fictitious millennial reign of Christ on earth, which will be with the Jews and from Jerusalem. Frankly it isn't worth bothering with unless you have a particular interest in the subject or in premillennialism, which I don't (apologies to any premillennialists).