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Re: Do angels have free will?
« Reply #56 on: May 25, 2020, 01:13:55 PM »

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Okay, I've gone over this again and again and still I really don't understand.

I may be stupid so please make it clear to me.
It seems to me you are saying you can ignore what Paul said to the Philippians because he said something else to the Ephesians that you agree with and you can use to support your view that God will annihilate people who don't accept Him.

Please just imagine you are one of the Philippians for a moment and received this message from Paul. You would have no knowledge of the message he sent to the Ephesians so you can take his letter you received in isolation.
God will not be satisfied until He has saved ALL PEOPLE whether they are in heaven, on earth or under the earth and God WILL be satisfied. Why are you so resistant to this? Is not accepting Jesus a work and is it not the case that salvation is not by works lest anyone boast? Do you not think that God has no way of overcoming the resistance of people to accept His salvation without taking away their free will? He managed it with me while I was still on earth but I believe He would have managed it if I had been under the earth too.

1 Timothy 4:10 For to this end we toil and strive, because we have our hope set on the living God,
who is the Saviour of all people, especially of those who believe.
John 6:37 All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out.
John 12:32 And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself.
John 12:47 If anyone hears my words and does not keep them, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge the world but to save the world.
John 17:2 since you have given him authority over all flesh, to give eternal life to all whom you have given him.
Romans 8:
38 For I am sure that neither death nor life, nor angels nor rulers, nor things present nor things to come, nor powers,
39 nor height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Love and peace in Jesus Christ

Hello @strobe,

Nothing has been ignored: and with respect, it is you who seek to justify your belief in universal salvation here.

* You have now referred to (1 Timothy 4:10, John 6:37, John 12:32, John 12:47, John 17:2, Romans 8:38-39) :

'For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach,
because we trust in the living God,
Who is the Saviour of all men,
specially of those that believe.'

(1Timothy 4:10)

* The living God is indeed the Saviour of all men, in that when our first parents incurred the judicial death penalty, the race would have been extinguished, had not God interposed, before dealing with the culprits, with the promise of the Redeemer, and so suspended the execution of the death sentence pronounced. 

'All that the Father giveth me shall come to me;
and Him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.'

(John 6:37) 

* Not all, but those whom the Father gave to Him.  For our Lord was speaking to the lost sheep of the house of Israel, and only a remnant were to be saved at that time (Romans 11:5).

'And I, if I be lifted up from the earth,
will draw all men unto me.'

(John 12:32)

* The Lord spoke of His death, when all men, not only those of the lost sheep of the house of Israel, would be drawn to Him.  In verse 44-48 of John 12,  the Lord qualifies what He means by 'all men':-

'Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me,
believeth not on me, but on Him that sent me.
And he that seeth me seeth Him that sent me.
I am come a light into the world,
that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness.
And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not:
for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him:
the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day
.'

(John 12:44-48)   

'As Thou hast given Him power over all flesh,
that He should give eternal life to as many as Thou hast given Him.'

(John 17:2)

* Again, it is 'as many as Thou (God the Father) hast given Him (the Lord Jesus Christ)', not ALL.

* Romans eight that you quote concerns those who have placed their trust in the Lord Jesus Christ as their Saviour and Lord.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

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Re: Do angels have free will?
« Reply #57 on: May 25, 2020, 01:35:56 PM »
He came unto His own,
and His own received Him not.
But as many as received Him,
to them gave He power to become the sons of God,
even to them that believe on His name:
Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh,
nor of the will of man, but of God.'

(John 1:11-13)  

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Re: Do angels have free will?
« Reply #58 on: May 26, 2020, 02:42:51 AM »
I don't know what the answer is..

After 36 years  .. I still don't  the will of GOD-to say  -vhat will happen after the "Corona Virus ends Do you  know the anwswer ??

Not sure even the angels know...

They are just messengers - like they were to me - all those years ago...

The are servants of the Lord most Hgh... only HE knows..and why...


My whole life is based on Him..

I've never never kown

 Sorry - I have to put my gradsom / back to bed - ad the keyboard has decided to use free willl ad is ologer usig a certaig  key/ ot sure why


it's decided to stop usig  U

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Re: Do angels have free will?
« Reply #59 on: May 26, 2020, 04:07:49 AM »
They do have free will. If they did not, then satan could not rebel and a third of the angels could not have rebelled with him.

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Re: Do angels have free will?
« Reply #60 on: May 26, 2020, 03:02:50 PM »

I wonder if Angels have their own personalities and characters ?

Different types of heart ! as in the four types of soil ?

Mmm  interesting

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Re: Do angels have free will?
« Reply #61 on: May 26, 2020, 03:12:27 PM »
They do have free will. If they did not, then satan could not rebel and a third of the angels could not have rebelled with him.


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Re: Do angels have free will?
« Reply #62 on: May 26, 2020, 03:21:16 PM »
I wonder if Angels have their own personalities and characters ?

Different types of heart ! as in the four types of soil ?

Mmm  interesting

Gotta be careful [that Guardian guy is moderating me]  shhh

Different roles, different strokes need different approaches will create different traits aka personalities.  I never moderate muse time.  knit:
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Re: Do angels have free will?
« Reply #63 on: May 26, 2020, 08:19:58 PM »
They do have free will. If they did not, then satan could not rebel and a third of the angels could not have rebelled with him.
Can you remind me where the bible says Satan rebelled? Is it only Ezekiel 28 because I think you'll find that is a lamentation which is, at least partially, directed at the king of Tyre. Could it not be the king who sinned, Satan just doing what is natural for him. The devil, it seems to me, may have been given the task of causing mankind to sin and thus bring about the need for redemption and reconciliation. I find it hard to see how God's plan could have worked without Satan. Man had to fall in order to become in the image of God. I think Satan is God's tool and is only doing His will. If this is the case then it would be reasonable to assume that any "punishment" will only be to bring him back into the fold and will not be eternal.
@davetaff submitted an extremely good post about this recently and I urge you to look at it.
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